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How can you preach the gospel if you believe in limited atonement?

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So what was this ransom? What does that mean? Who was Christ paying? What was he paying for?
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1) So what was the ransom? The Lamb of God
2) Christ was "satisfying" God's attribute of justice, in order to forgive and save sinners.
3) Christ paid the ransom to become the propitiation, or means of salvation, for the whole world, all mankind.

Thus Christ's sacrifice provides the means of reconciliation for all.
 
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Van said:
Total Spiritual Inability = false doctrine
Limited Spiritual Ability = true doctrine

Unconditional Election = false doctrine
Election for Salvation based on our faith = true doctrine

Limited Atonement = false doctrine
Reconciliation Available for All = true doctrine

Irresistible Grace = false doctrine
Resistible Grace = true doctrine

Possible Loss of Salvation = false doctrine
Once Saved, Always Saved = true doctrine.

Each of these true doctrines must be included in preaching the gospel, and all these false doctrines must be exposed as false.
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Van this doesn't tell us anything. You can say true doctrine/false doctrine but how do we know you are correct? Is it just because you say so?
 
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1) So what was the ransom? The Lamb of God
2) Christ was "satisfying" God's attribute of justice, in order to forgive and save sinners.
3) Christ paid the ransom to become the propitiation, or means of salvation, for the whole world, all mankind.

Thus Christ's sacrifice provides the means of reconciliation for all.
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So Christ paid the ransom that satisfied the justice of God for every individual, yet some still go to Hell? There is a big problem in your position there.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
So Christ paid the ransom that satisfied the justice of God for every individual, yet some still go to Hell? There is a big problem in your position there.
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Biblical truth is never a problem.
The misrepresentation of the biblical view is a big problem.
When is an individuals sin burden removed? When Christ died - the bogus Calvinist view, or when the individual is placed in Christ - the biblical view.

Thus Christ's sacrifice provides the means of reconciliation for all.
 
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Biblical truth is never a problem.
The misrepresentation of the biblical view is a big problem.
When is an individuals sin burden removed? When Christ died - the bogus Calvinist view, or when the individual is placed in Christ - the biblical view.

Thus Christ's sacrifice provides the means of reconciliation for all.
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Except I don't believe your version is biblical truth. You have a glaring contradiction and logical error.

So, we aren't asking the question when was the burden removed. We are asking for what sins did Christ pay for?

Do we believe that Christ simply made saving possible, or did he actually save somone?
 
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Except I don't believe your version is biblical truth. You have a glaring contradiction and logical error.

So, we aren't asking the question when was the burden removed. We are asking for what sins did Christ pay for?

Do we believe that Christ simply made saving possible, or did he actually save someone?
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I have answered all these questions many times before. There are no contradictions. There are no logical errors.

Did I say Christ "paid" for anyone's sins. Quote please.

When is an individuals sin burden removed? When Christ died - the bogus Calvinist view, or when the individual is placed in Christ - the biblical view.

The Calvinist view, developed in the dark ages, is speculation added to the text.

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. So were sins bought?
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
So Christ didn't pay for any sins? Hmm, you said he paying the ransom to become the propitiation. What do you think that means exactly?
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I did not see a quote. What verse says "paid for sins?"

Did I say Christ "paid" for anyone's sins. Quote please.

When is an individuals sin burden removed? When Christ died - the bogus Calvinist view, or when the individual is placed in Christ - the biblical view.

The Calvinist view, developed in the dark ages, is speculation added to the text.

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. So were sins bought?
 
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Thus Christ's sacrifice provides the means of reconciliation for all.
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Isaiah 53 says he is taking the punishment for sin. So is he taking the punishment for the sin of every person but for some that payment was not good enough?
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Isaiah 53 says he is taking the punishment for sin. So is he taking the punishment for the sin of every person but for some that payment was not good enough?
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Did you find "paid for the individual sins?"

Why not answer the questions?

I did not see a quote. What verse says "paid for sins?"
When is an individuals sin burden removed?
When Christ died - the bogus Calvinist view, or
when the individual is placed in Christ - the biblical view.
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. So were sins bought?

Jesus became the propitiation or means of salvation for all mankind.
 
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Van said:
Did you find "paid for the individual sins?"

Why not answer the questions?

I did not see a quote. What verse says "paid for sins?"
When is an individuals sin burden removed?
When Christ died - the bogus Calvinist view, or
when the individual is placed in Christ - the biblical view.
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. So were sins bought?

Jesus became the propitiation or means of salvation for all mankind.
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This is like arguing with a broken record. Can't even seem to grasp basic concepts.
 
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