How can you preach the gospel if you believe in limited atonement?

[Reformed1689]

Christ died for all mankind, those to be saved and those never to be saved.

So for some Christ failed then? He died for them and the sacrifice was wasted? That's what your position necessitates.

 

[Reformed]

The title of the thread is, "How can you preach the gospel if you believe in limited atonement?" The answer to that question is very simple. You preach the gospel as if everyone is capable of believing its message. It is the Holy Spirit that quickens the elect. That is not the role of the preacher. In fact, knowing that it is God and God alone who is responsible for every facet of salvation is liberating for the preacher. There is no need for Finneyistic manipulating of emotions. No need to try the newest thing (whatever that happens to be). Scripture says the gospel alone saves (Romans 1:17). What is withheld from our view is as clear as day to the triune God. Not one person for whom Christ has died for will fail to believe the gospel. All of the elect will believe the gospel message.

 

[Particular]

1) You falsely claim "contradictions" yet never identify them? False charge!
2) Every position presented is supported explicitly by passages of scripture.
3) You have not presented any evidence that any of the true doctrines present are mistaken.
4) Agreed, I will not compromise scripture.

Calvinist preacher: Jesus may have died for your sins, He died for the sins of those chosen unconditionally before creation. There is nothing you can do to alter the predestined outcome of your life, or the lives of your loved ones. They were either saved or condemned from all eternity for all eternity.

Of course for those of us who believe God desires all men to be saved and Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, we think Calvinism offers a bogus view of the gospel.

1) I identified all four views that contradict your fifth view.
2) Every passage has already been addressed to you by many on this site. You reject their views.
3) Each position has already been addressed to you by many on this site. You reject their views.
4) I know you reject the idea that your interpretation of scripture is wrong.

I accept that you have a blind spot that makes it impossible for you to see why you are wrong. I was once in your shoes. It took years of God teaching me in scripture that my Arminian views on the means of salvation were false and not supported in scripture. Perhaps one day you will see.

 

[Reformed1689]

In fact, knowing that it is God and God alone who is responsible for every facet of salvation is liberating for the preacher. There is no need for Finneyistic manipulating of emotions. No need to try the newest thing (whatever that happens to be).

Exactly!

 

[Van]

So for some Christ failed then? He died for them and the sacrifice was wasted? That's what your position necessitates.

Absurd nonsense, Jesus completed His purpose, "it is finished."

 

[Van]

1) I identified all four views that contradict your fifth view.
2) Every passage has already been addressed to you by many on this site. You reject their views.
3) Each position has already been addressed to you by many on this site. You reject their views.
4) I know you reject the idea that your interpretation of scripture is wrong.

I accept that you have a blind spot that makes it impossible for you to see why you are wrong. I was once in your shoes. It took years of God teaching me in scripture that my Arminian views on the means of salvation were false and not supported in scripture. Perhaps one day you will see.

More nonsense, a wasted post. Note the generality of the "taint so" devoid of any specifics. This is all they have, folks, denial upon denial.

Calvinist preacher: Jesus may have died for your sins, He died for the sins of those chosen unconditionally before creation. There is nothing you can do to alter the predestined outcome of your life, or the lives of your loved ones. They were either saved or condemned from all eternity for all eternity.

Of course for those of us who believe God desires all men to be saved and Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, we think Calvinism offers a bogus view of the gospel.

 

[Reformed1689]

Absurd nonsense, Jesus completed His purpose, "it is finished."

You actually avoided the question.

 

[Van]

You actually avoided the question.

Yet another you, you, you post addressing the poster and not the position. Did Christ fail? That was the question. And the answer? Nope, Christ completed His purpose.

But what was the response, why you did not answer the question. This behavior is all they have, folks.
And such behavior demonstrates they are pushing false doctrine.

 

[Reformed1689]

Yet another you, you, you post addressing the poster and not the position.

That's because I don't know what position to address because the poster didn't give one.

 

[Reformed1689]

Nope, Christ completed His purpose.

And his purpose was to pay for the sins of every individual?

 

[Reformed1689]

But what was the response, why you did not answer the question. This behavior is all they have, folks.
And such behavior demonstrates they are pushing false doctrine.

This is asinine.

 

[Van]

And his purpose was to pay for the sins of every individual?

Falsehood. Note Christ laid down his life as a ransom for all, those to be saved and those never to be saved.
When is a person's sins removed? When they are put in Christ.

 

[Van]

This is asinine.

Here is the answer deleted from the post.
Did Christ fail? That was the question. And the answer? Nope, Christ completed His purpose.

 

[Reformed1689]

Falsehood. Note Christ laid down his life as a ransom for all, those to be saved and those never to be saved.
When is a person's sins removed? When they are put in Christ.

So what was this ransom? What does that mean? Who was Christ paying? What was he paying for?

 

[Van]

So what was this ransom? What does that mean? Who was Christ paying? What was he paying for?

How many times have I answered this one? The ransom was the Lamb of God, blameless and perfect that suffered and died.

Note the Calvinist deny Jesus laid down His life as a ransom for all and became the propitiation or means of salvation for the whole world, all mankind. Everyone God puts in Christ has their sin burden (what God holds against them) removed by the circumcision of Christ and the washing of regeneration.

 

[Reformed1689]

How many times have I answered this one? The ransom was the Lamb of God, blameless and perfect that suffered and died.

Note the Calvinist deny Jesus laid down His life as a ransom for all and became the propitiation or means of salvation for the whole world, all mankind. Everyone God puts in Christ has their sin burden (what God holds against them) removed by the circumcision of Christ and the washing of regeneration.

Ok, so you answered the first part of my question, but not the second.

And no, that is not what Calvinists believe. We have different understandings of what words mean and are discussing. But we do not deny what the text says so you should stop spreading that falsehood. Again, you are not qualified to discuss what Calvinists believe because you don't represent it correctly.

 

[Van]

Ok, so you answered the first part of my question, but not the second.

And no, that is not what Calvinists believe. We have different understandings of what words mean and are discussing. But we do not deny what the text says so you should stop spreading that falsehood. Again, you are not qualified to discuss what Calvinists believe because you don't represent it correctly.

Yet another defense by addressing the poster, i.e. you are not qualified. Utter nonsense. This is all they have, denial, misrepresentation and absurdity.

 

[Reformed1689]

Yet another defense by addressing the poster, i.e. you are not qualified. Utter nonsense. This is all they have, denial, misrepresentation and absurdity.

And you still did not answer the second part of the question. And there is nothing wrong with addressing the poster, you realize this right?

 

[Calminian]

...Calvinist claim they are saved with out belief ...

I'm not a strong Calvinist at all, but this is a lie.

 

[Van]

Total Spiritual Inability = false doctrine
Limited Spiritual Ability = true doctrine

Unconditional Election = false doctrine
Election for Salvation based on our faith = true doctrine

Limited Atonement = false doctrine
Reconciliation Available for All = true doctrine

Irresistible Grace = false doctrine
Resistible Grace = true doctrine

Possible Loss of Salvation = false doctrine
Once Saved, Always Saved = true doctrine.

Each of these true doctrines must be included in preaching the gospel, and all these false doctrines must be exposed as false.