All I have done, in a post not addressed to you, is to say that when our Lord said, "It is finished," it was. From there you have manufactured a whole tissue of lies about me, even starting a new thread to disseminate them further, yet you absolutely refused to tell me what you understand by "It is finished."
This isn't a question
When the Lord Jesus cried "It is finished," He meant that all the work that the Father had given Him was completed. He had acted as Surety for His people, enduring the Father's wrath aginst sin on their behalf and paying the debt that they owed in full. I laid this out in post #8. All that remained for Him was to give up His spirit, which He did almost immediately. Had He not died, His work of redemption would have been incomplete because the wages of sin is death and without the shedding of blood (in death) there is no remission of sins.
I think I have. If you don't know now after so many years of back and forth, you are remarkably dense.
Our redemption is indeed Christ bearing our sins and the punishment and separation attached to them, on the cross, but that part was achieved before He uttered the words. But as the sin-bearer, it was also necessary for Him to die as I have stated above. The idea that He did not need to die never entered my head at any stage as you know perfectly well..
I am happy to accept your apology, but it is clear that we spark each other off when we discuss together. If I could put you on 'ignore' I would, but I think it best if we don't address each other. I will try to avoid threads that you are involved with but the issue of Penal Substitution is too important to leave so on such threads I will simply state my views without naming you. Perhaps you will do the same for me.
