How did you arrive at Calvinism?

[S0l0m0n]

But I know churches that claim to subscribe to the 1689 Second London Baptist of Faith and conduct themselves in a completely different manner. I consider them 1689 Second London Baptist Confession of Faith to be a trustworthy commentary on the major doctrines and church practices found in scripture. It is not scripture and should be viewed as such. It is a man-made document that is a useful tool. Its usefulness ends there.

I understand that completely, and yet my complaint was with a lack of any uniform Confession.

 

[David Kent]

Jerome, in my greeting (Greetings from the North East (USA)) you welcomed me with such ARBCA info... and to ensnare me in a welcome?! What a vile individual.

The ARBCA is found to be corrupt and rotten like any other man-made group.

The 1689 Baptist Confession is not at all damaged by them.

Welcome to the board, from South East England

 

[Reformed]

I understand that completely, and yet my complaint was with a lack of any uniform Confession.

Confessionalism is a siren call of like-minded people who are declaring what they believe.

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[Reformed]

Jerome, in my greeting (Greetings from the North East (USA)) you welcomed me with such ARBCA info... and to ensnare me in a welcome?! What a vile individual.

The ARBCA is found to be corrupt and rotten like any other man-made group.

The 1689 Baptist Confession is not at all damaged by them.

I have made no secret of the fact I think ARBCA should dissolve. It is beyond reclamation. But the 1689 London Baptist Confession is not an ARBCA document.

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[S0l0m0n]

Welcome to the board, from South East England

Thanks for the welcome.

 

[S0l0m0n]

I have made no secret of the fact I think ARBCA should dissolve. It is beyond reclamation. But the 1689 London Baptist Confession is not an ARBCA document.

No need to defend yourself. The instigation really has nothing to do with the topic, or any edification on this matter.

The 1689 Confession authors have proven their perfectly sound doctrine by each and every proof Text within the Confession.

I'd encourage any Baptist who leans Calvinist to go through each paragraph and look up each provided proof Text. I did so recently, and perhaps I'll upload a PDF/DOC on the site, if that is possible. While I was overwhelmed on the subject of Systematic Theology for the time being; the 1689 Confession proved to be a great personal exercise in maybe a type of simplified Systematic Theology, when looking up the verses and reflecting on the doctrine expressed.

 

[Particular]

No need to defend yourself. The instigation really has nothing to do with the topic, or any edification on this matter.

The 1689 Confession authors have proven their perfectly sound doctrine by each and every proof Text within the Confession.

I'd encourage any Baptist who leans Calvinist to go through each paragraph and look up each provided proof Text. I did so recently, and perhaps I'll upload a PDF/DOC on the site, if that is possible. While I was overwhelmed on the subject of Systematic Theology for the time being; the 1689 Confession proved to be a great personal exercise in maybe a type of simplified Systematic Theology, when looking up the verses and reflecting on the doctrine expressed.

The 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith

 

[Reformed1689]

How did you arrive at Calvinism, Doctrines Grace, or whatever you wish to call it?

From Scripture

 

[Reformed1689]

Isn't the only true answer:

"God predestined me to be a Calvinist?"

#4

 

[Jerome]

Confessionalism is a siren call of like-minded people who are declaring what they believe.

It certainly is!

Siren — you chose such an appropriate metaphor.
Thank you!

 

[utilyan]

Particular used real life examples to logically show their arrival at what is called 'Calvinism'.

utilyan, I can't tell if you are aggressively attacking or being sarcastic.
How then did you arrive at what is called 'Calvinism'? Or did you arrive at it by force and are trying to frustrate the grace of God?

Its cookie cutter conditions of hitting rock bottom when the theology teaches Unconditional Election.

Its just IN-GROUP conformity pressure.

Find this guy....... I was non-christian just minding my own business watching some football when zap I'm a Calvinist, without any previous indoctrination full understand Tulip with a clear Ordo Salutis.

Instead of the guy Converts, Fails , converts, revises story. Have you notice all are christian converts? Calvinism is geared to converting Christians. Where is the non-christian?

 

[S0l0m0n]

Have you notice all are christian converts? Calvinism is geared to converting Christians.

Your post has inadvertently shown something positive. Perhaps what is called 'Calvinism' can be seen as a sign of spiritual maturity in certain individuals.

It is easy to copy Calvinist ideas and pretend to be a believer; yet to arrive to 'Calvinism' on one's own is very interesting.

 

[Particular]

Its cookie cutter conditions of hitting rock bottom when the theology teaches Unconditional Election.

Its just IN-GROUP conformity pressure.

Find this guy....... I was non-christian just minding my own business watching some football when zap I'm a Calvinist, without any previous indoctrination full understand Tulip with a clear Ordo Salutis.

Instead of the guy Converts, Fails , converts, revises story. Have you notice all are christian converts? Calvinism is geared to converting Christians. Where is the non-christian?

The non-Christian is dead in their trespasses and sins. Clueless and in full rebellion against God.
Utilyan shows himself to be a Pelagian. This thread only brings out his gnashing of teeth.

 

[utilyan]

The non-Christian is dead in their trespasses and sins. Clueless and in full rebellion against God.
Utilyan shows himself to be a Pelagian. This thread only brings out his gnashing of teeth.

Every act of Goodness on my part has God for its source.

Notice our buddy's response here. Calvinism is useless to non-christians, they are "Clueless and in full rebellion against God."

Typical sanctimonious snobby "I AM HOLIER THAN THOU"

Luke 18
11“The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.

 

[Particular]

Every act of Goodness on my part has God for its source.

Notice our buddy's response here. Calvinism is useless to non-christians, they are "Clueless and in full rebellion against God."

Typical sanctimonious snobby "I AM HOLIER THAN THOU"

Luke 18
11“The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.

I notice you don't refute the fact that you hold to Pelagian theology.

Share your belief utilyan. Share how humans come into the world and how people are saved.

You merely play the accuser. That bores me.

 

[utilyan]

I notice you don't refute the fact that you hold to Pelagian theology.

Share your belief utilyan. Share how humans come into the world and how people are saved.

You merely play the accuser. That bores me.

Pelagianism, also called Pelagian heresy, is the Christian theological position that the original sin did not taint human nature and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without special divine aid or assistance.

Every act of Goodness on my part has God for its source. That was the refute in case you missed it.

I'm not Pelagian. And if one were to self-proclaim to be they would have to be CREATOR-GOD of themselves.

In other words just because your buddy might think the world is flat doesn't make it actually flat for him.


CANON I.-If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.

CANON II.-If any one saith, that the grace of God, through Jesus Christ, is given only for this, that man may be able more easily to live justly, and to merit eternal life, as if, by free will without grace, he were able to do both, though hardly indeed and with difficulty; let him be anathema.

CANON III.-If any one saith, that without the prevenient inspiration of the Holy Ghost, and without his help, man can believe, hope, love, or be penitent as he ought, so as that the grace of Justification may be bestowed upon him; let him be anathema.

CANON IV.-If any one saith, that man's free will moved and excited by God, by assenting to God exciting and calling, nowise co-operates towards disposing and preparing itself for obtaining the grace of Justification; that it cannot refuse its consent, if it would, but that, as something inanimate, it does nothing whatever and is merely passive; let him be anathema.

 

[Particular]

Pelagianism, also called Pelagian heresy, is the Christian theological position that the original sin did not taint human nature and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without special divine aid or assistance.

Every act of Goodness on my part has God for its source. That was the refute in case you missed it.

I'm not Pelagian. And if one were to self-proclaim to be they would have to be CREATOR-GOD of themselves.

In other words just because your buddy might think the world is flat doesn't make it actually flat for him.


CANON I.-If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.

CANON II.-If any one saith, that the grace of God, through Jesus Christ, is given only for this, that man may be able more easily to live justly, and to merit eternal life, as if, by free will without grace, he were able to do both, though hardly indeed and with difficulty; let him be anathema.

CANON III.-If any one saith, that without the prevenient inspiration of the Holy Ghost, and without his help, man can believe, hope, love, or be penitent as he ought, so as that the grace of Justification may be bestowed upon him; let him be anathema.

CANON IV.-If any one saith, that man's free will moved and excited by God, by assenting to God exciting and calling, nowise co-operates towards disposing and preparing itself for obtaining the grace of Justification; that it cannot refuse its consent, if it would, but that, as something inanimate, it does nothing whatever and is merely passive; let him be anathema.

Are humans corrupt at conception or do they become corrupt later?

 

[JonC]

How did you arrive at Calvinism, Doctrines Grace, or whatever you wish to call it?

5th of vodka and a wigi board.

I got better.

 

[Dave G]

Its just IN-GROUP conformity pressure.

I'm all alone in my area, except for one other that I fellowship with.

There is no "IN-Group" conformity pressure.
In fact, what "in-group conformity pressure" there is where I live, is for me to conform to "Wesleyan Arminianism", "Molinism" or "Traditionalism".

I couldn't, in all honesty, do that, so I left the churches that I first heard the Gospel in and later attended.
I do not currently attend a visible church that sits on a street corner and asks for money to support it.

Find this guy....... I was non-christian just minding my own business watching some football when zap I'm a Calvinist, without any previous indoctrination full understand Tulip with a clear Ordo Salutis.

I wish you well in finding that guy.

From my experience, Christians do not grow to maturity, in either grace nor knowledge, overnight.
They take time to grow into both.

Instead of the guy Converts, Fails , converts, revises story. Have you notice all are christian converts? Calvinism is geared to converting Christians. Where is the non-christian?

There's no such thing as a child of God who converts, and then fails.
There is no such thing as a true believer who goes back to not believing.

Those are called "false brethren".
God does the converting in a genuine believer.

Those who convert and fail are called "tares".

Notice our buddy's response here. Calvinism is useless to non-christians, they are "Clueless and in full rebellion against God."

Typical sanctimonious snobby "I AM HOLIER THAN THOU"

What I generally notice whenever you make a post in this section, is how condescending you are towards those who present the truths of Scripture.
Not only do you accuse those who teach that salvation is entirely of God, as being "holier-than-thou", you seem to throw it in their face with contempt.

That is, of course your right, but if I may be so bold...
How about looking at what you post and the tone that you post it in?

Christians seek peace with their fellow man, not war, utilyan.
Whether or not we disagree, I can still be at peace with you and not ridicule you.

Can you say the same, that you wish me well?

CANON I.-If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.

CANON II.-If any one saith, that the grace of God, through Jesus Christ, is given only for this, that man may be able more easily to live justly, and to merit eternal life, as if, by free will without grace, he were able to do both, though hardly indeed and with difficulty; let him be anathema.

CANON III.-If any one saith, that without the prevenient inspiration of the Holy Ghost, and without his help, man can believe, hope, love, or be penitent as he ought, so as that the grace of Justification may be bestowed upon him; let him be anathema.

CANON IV.-If any one saith, that man's free will moved and excited by God, by assenting to God exciting and calling, nowise co-operates towards disposing and preparing itself for obtaining the grace of Justification; that it cannot refuse its consent, if it would, but that, as something inanimate, it does nothing whatever and is merely passive; let him be anathema.

I see this stated directly from the Canons of Trent, that condemned what you call "Calvinism" as anathema.

I don't recognize the Council of Trent or its canons, as neither it nor they have any authority over me.
They were developed by an institution of men that also has no authority over me.

God and His word are all that I recognize...
He tells me to obey the ordinances of His properly instituted governments, but He nowhere tells me that I have to recognize the Roman Catholic Church as having any right to condemn me or to approve me.

The Lord did not put "the church" in authority over me, nor are they my Mediator...
He put His Son there, and He is my only Head.


May God bless you sir.

 

[utilyan]

I'm all alone in my area, except for one other that I fellowship with.

There is no "IN-Group" conformity pressure.
In fact, what in-group" conformity pressure there was, was for me to conform to "Traditionalism".

I couldn't in all honesty, do that, so I left the church I grew up in.

I wish you well in finding that guy.

There's no such thing as a child of God who converts, and then fails.
There is no such thing as a believer who goes back to not believing.

Those are called "false brethren".
God does the converting in a genuine believer.

Those who convert and fail are called "tares".

What I generally notice whenever you make a post in this section, is how condescending you are towards those who present the truths of Scripture.
Not only do you accuse those who teach that salvation is entirely of God, as being "holier-than-thou", you seem to throw it in their face with contempt.

That is, of course your right, but if I may be so bold...
How about looking at what you post and the tone that you post it in?

Christians seek peace, not war, utilyan.
Whether or not we disagree, I can still be at peace with you.

Can you say the same, that you wish me well?

Stated directly from the Canons of Trent, that condemned what you call, "Calvinism" as anathema.

I don't recognize the Council of Trent, as it has no authority over me.
It was developed by an institution of men that also has no authority over me.

God and His word are all that I recognize...
He tells me to obey the ordinances of His properly instituted governments, but He nowhere tells me that I have to recognize the Roman Catholic Church as having any right to condemn me or to approve me.

May God bless you sir.

"Christians seek peace, not war, utilyan."

They do. Why won't you?

One of the fundamental stratagems of war is getting dibs on Moral High ground.

Everyone is possibly totally depraved, but you are elect, how convenient.




"Can you say the same, that you wish me well?"

Yes, AND ILL RAISE YOU--> GOD LOVES YOU.

Can you say the same?



Anyone asks me..... God loves Dave.

Suppose instead I announced, WELL.... SHRUG...... Like Dave Gilbert? ......... Dave humm? Well I know God loves me...... Does God love Dave?

Its an accusation against you are right there........ the shots have been fired. I've already passed Judgement on you.


God LOVES YOU DAVE.

Can you say the same? (and i don't mean "sure i think he loves me too")