How Do Fellow baptist regard Now Billy Graham?

[Salty]

If anyone thinks that Falwell was not a greedy, covetous slimeball in his dealings with the Bakkers, that person either does not know the facts or has a selective memory.

I believe you!!!! Now give us some links to the FACTS.

 

[sag38]

Still no proof just accusations.

 

[Salty]

Still no proof just accusations.

absolutely correct -
for those who don't know me
I was being facetious in first sentence of post # 62

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Still no proof just accusations.

The proof is recorded in print. Get off your lazy rear and research it.

 

[Salty]

The proof is recorded in print. Get off your lazy rear and research it.

Thank goodness you are not a lawyer:BangHead:

 

[salzer mtn]

Just because a person does something in Gods name doesn't prove that God is in it. Just because they see results doesn't mean God is in it. Some men make a carrier out of preaching to make a living, God is their belly, Phil 3:19. Many will say unto me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name ? and in thy name have cast out devils ? and in thy name done many wonderful work ? The network is full of tel-evangelist ministers. Jimmy Swaggert has wrote his own commentary on the bible since he has repented on TV. I honestly think that people will be surprised in the day of judgement when the preachers that the world has never heard of will be standing on his right side and the big named, man praised preachers standing on the left.

 

[InTheLight]

I honestly think that people will be surprised in the day of judgement when the preachers that the world has never heard of will be standing on his right side and the big named, man praised preachers standing on the left.

Back to topic--which side will Billy Graham be standing on?

 

[sag38]

The proof is recorded in print. Get off your lazy rear and research it.

That's what I thought. You have no proof. You have brought an accusation and yet you can't back up what you say.

 

[sag38]

And, on which side will you be Salzer. Do you realize how pompous you sound in you proclamation?

 

[salzer mtn]

Back to topic--which side will Billy Graham be standing on?

I am not Billy Grahams judge.

 

[salzer mtn]

And, on which side will you be Salzer.

Probably on the oppisite side your on. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Thomas Helwys]

That's what I thought. You have no proof. You have brought an accusation and yet you can't back up what you say.

Ahh, what you apparently do not know about me is that I, unlike some (hint), do not open my mouth and post anything unless it is fact. But why should I accede to your demands considering the tone and content of your posts? I'll not do the "legwork" for one such as you. Do it yourself. The fact is as I have stated.

 

[Grasshopper]

Is plagerism a sin?

Christian youth culture has become such a prominent, pervasive fixture on the American scene-witness the multi-million-dollar Christian contemporary music industry-that it may be hard to think of it as even having an origin. Yet, as we saw in last week's newsletter, not only is the idea of a distinct, youthful way of "doing" Christianity now over half a century old, but it owes much to the energies and advocacy of the now-venerable Billy Graham.

Last week we caught a glimpse of Billy in the mid-1940s, with pastel suit and pomaded hair, delivering the gospel in between swing-band instrumentals and girl-trio numbers to crowds of bobby-soxed and zoot-suited teens. We also saw him as one of the central personalities and energetic promoters of the influential Youth for Christ organization.

This week we follow Graham into the late 1960s as, disguised in dark glasses, old clothes, ball cap, and a false beard, he joins with demonstrating youth at City University in New York. And as he sits with his wife, Ruth, at their family home in Montreat, listening intently to a collection of rock albums. And as (again disguised) he mingles and raps with the audience at a 1969 Miami rock concert, to the strains of the Grateful Dead and Santana. And as (undisguised) he takes that same stage, by invitation of the concert promoters, to tell the partying masses how to "get high without hang-ups and hangovers" on Jesus.

During those years marked by youthful unrest, we can also peer discreetly into Graham's home life, where, much to the distress of his famous father, the teenaged Franklin Graham smokes, drinks, and flouts authority. Though Billy has his "human" moments as he confronts this rebellion (he once candidly admitted that his reaction on first seeing a group of demonstrating hippies was a strong desire to "shave them, cut their hair, bathe them, and then preach to them"), yet Graham still responds to Franklin with a compassionate patience that also marks his public interaction with his son's generation.

So, for example, following him into the early 1970s, we find Graham riding in the New Year's Day 1971 Pasadena, California, Tournament of Roses Parade, where he picks up the raised-index-finger gesture and "One Way" chant of the Jesus People and echoes them back to appreciative crowds all along the parade route. And we read Graham, in his 1971 book, The Jesus Generation (Zondervan), rejoicing that the Jesus People movement heralds a new spiritual awakening for America.

Throughout this period, Billy Graham passed lightly over the stylistic eccentricities and excesses of the Jesus People and exulted over their on-fire faith—a reaction relatively rare among Christian conservatives.

At one point, Graham signaled solidarity with that generation by allowing his hair to grow down over his collar. After a TV appearance, the evangelist received a flood of negative letters for his trouble—some even enclosing money to pay for the haircut. Not every Christian was pleased with Billy's new friends and Billy's new attitude.

Graham advocated persistently for the "Jesus Revolution" in his Crusades of the early 1970s (these audiences for these crusades were made up of 60 to 70 percent young people) and threw significant support behind Explo '72, the period's "Christian Woodstock."

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/news/2002/nov29.html

 

[Salty]

... I, ... do not ... post anything unless it is fact..

and just how do we know that?

But why should I accede to your demands considering the tone and content of your posts? I'll not do the "legwork" for one such as you. Do it yourself. The fact is as I have stated.

You want us to trust you, yet there is nothing in your profile to tell us about yourself. How do we even know your name is Thomas Helwys.

The fact is you are a Methodist living in Alaska, married with 8 kids. You are a school bus driver. At church you are the song leader and moderator for church business meetings.

 

[MB]

Was that when he was old, and perhaps having mental difficulties though?

It's a well known fact that the Billy Graham crusades always sent Catholics back to Catholicism after they were saved. At the time when he spoke with schuller he seemed in control of his facilities. In fact he had just finished a crusade

I was a big admirer of Graham. I had a hard time believing he said what he did. This is old news it happened quite awhile ago. I tried to rationalize it as well but facts are facts. For all intents and purposes he is a universalist and was good friends with the Pope at that time.
MB

 

[SovereignMercy]

It's a well known fact that the Billy Graham crusades always sent Catholics back to Catholicism after they were saved. At the time when he spoke with schuller he seemed in control of his facilities. In fact he had just finished a crusade

I was a big admirer of Graham. I had a hard time believing he said what he did. This is old news it happened quite awhile ago. I tried to rationalize it as well but facts are facts. For all intents and purposes he is a universalist and was good friends with the Pope at that time.
MB

I worked for him for seven years and can confirm these things and worse. God had a few believers working there. I was reprimanded or my views of Roman Catholicism and other biblical views I hold too. I also had some great opportunities to share the truth while I was there. They are sucking up to the Mormons now too. When I took over the bookstore in 1996 in Minneapolis the manager before me was selling a book that said that Jesus and John the Apostle had an immoral relationship. Not much discernment in a lot if BGEA then and it's much worse now.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I worked for him for seven years and can confirm these things and worse. God had a few believers working there. I was reprimanded or my views of Roman Catholicism and other biblical views I hold too. I also had some great opportunities to share the truth while I was there. They are sucking up to the Mormons now too. When I took over the bookstore in 1996 in Minneapolis the manager before me was selling a book that said that Jesus and John the Apostle had an immoral relationship. Not much discernment in a lot if BGEA then and it's much worse now.

My wife just threw out some of his books recently, over some stunt the BG Organization did...a woman scorned I guess....piety, she & her mom used to follow his crusades quite closely & those books were hers.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

I can't give the exact date. But it was in the early to mid 90s.

It's a well known fact that the Billy Graham crusades always sent Catholics back to Catholicism after they were saved. At the time when he spoke with Schuller he seemed in control of his facilities. In fact he had just finished a crusade

I was a big admirer of Graham. I had a hard time believing he said what he did. This is old news it happened quite awhile ago. I tried to rationalize it as well but facts are facts. For all intents and purposes he is a universalist and was good friends with the Pope at that time.
MB

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Like many leaders in the 20th century, he sought to reset the clock. In Billy Graham's case, he sought to revive the great pre-World War 1 evangelistic meetings of Moody and others. He ignored the changes the floods of Modernism and apostasy wrought on the religious scene by the time he started his work in post World War 2 America.

 

[SovereignMercy]

Like many leaders in the 20th century, he sought to reset the clock. In Billy Graham's case, he sought to revive the great pre-World War 1 evangelistic meetings of Moody and others. He ignored the changes the floods of Modernism and apostasy wrought on the religious scene by the time he started his work in post World War 2 America.

Moody supported the Catholic Church as well.