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How do you view the Orthodox Church?

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AustinC

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Just because something isn't found verbatim in the bible does not mean it can't be done. I don't see a problem with doing things like was said in my quote if it help one becomes closer to the Lord.
When it is contradictory to the Bible, should it be done?
 

Adonia

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When it is contradictory to the Bible, should it be done?

Thus then rises the differing interpretations of the Bible. For example, you are dead set against infant Baptism but orthodox Christianity sees no contradiction between what it practices and how the Bible presents that particular issue.
 

JonC

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Thus then rises the differing interpretations of the Bible. For example, you are dead set against infant Baptism but orthodox Christianity sees no contradiction between what it practices and how the Bible presents that particular issue.
I recently watched an Orthodox presentation. It was interesting. They considered Roman Catholic as, essentially, apostate (I did not realize the extent of the divide). Where RCC holds to the doctrine of transubstantiation Orthodox Catholic does not (they do nor explain ir but leaves it to "mystery"). Baptism was interesting because they view anything but immersion as not being a true baptism but practice infant Baptism.

What is interesting to me is that Baptist doctrine does not (historically) have to mean immersion but it cannot be infant Baptism. Orthodox can be infant Baptism but has to be immersion.

Anyway... Just a few wandering thoughts from a wondering mind. :)
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I recently watched an Orthodox presentation. It was interesting. They considered Roman Catholic as, essentially, apostate (I did not realize the extent of the divide). Where RCC holds to the doctrine of transubstantiation Orthodox Catholic does not (they do nor explain ir but leaves it to "mystery"). Baptism was interesting because they view anything but immersion as not being a true baptism but practice infant Baptism.

What is interesting to me is that Baptist doctrine does not (historically) have to mean immersion but it cannot be infant Baptism. Orthodox can be infant Baptism but has to be immersion.

Anyway... Just a few wandering thoughts from a wondering mind. :)
So you’ve never experienced any of their service’s? That’s what they make seat belts for Confused
 

JonC

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So you’ve never experienced any of their service’s? That’s what they make seat belts for Confused
No. I've watched their services online, but never experienced one. The only part I want to experience is a Greek Orthodox festival where we eat Greek food.

Good food forgives a lot of bad doctrine, don't ya know. I'd even go to a Reformed Baptist church if they had good beer bratwurst (and grilled onions). :D
 

AustinC

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No. I've watched their services online, but never experienced one. The only part I want to experience is a Greek Orthodox festival where we eat Greek food.

Good food forgives a lot of bad doctrine, don't ya know. I'd even go to a Reformed Baptist church if they had good beer bratwurst (and grilled onions). :D
I have attended a Coptic Church festival. They also have good food.
 

JonC

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I have attended a Coptic Church festival. They also have good food.
I know very little about the Coptic Church. But I can eat with anyone :) (except professing Christians who remain mastered by sin).

What culture us the Coptic Church?
 

AustinC

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Thus then rises the differing interpretations of the Bible. For example, you are dead set against infant Baptism but orthodox Christianity sees no contradiction between what it practices and how the Bible presents that particular issue.
Sola Scriptura, Adonia. I am not holding to tradition over scripture. If God had told us to baptize infants in order to save them, then I would agree with it. But, since God tells us that we are dead in trespasses and sins and that God makes is alive by His grace alone, that eliminates a human work of baptism as a means of salvation. In fact, infant baptism is a legalistic, non-grace, means of salvation. It is something the Judaisers would promote as a work that causes God to do something. That's not grace. That's legalism and works.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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So you’ve never experienced any of their service’s? That’s what they make seat belts for Confused
No really.... find yourself a Orthodox Church and visit them for Easter services. It’s quite a unique experience full of their traditions and mystery, though it’s long.

The priest in the video is from the Greek Catholic right that was merged into the Roman Catholic Church but they get to keep their ways and traditions but it’s the Orthodox that are autonomous from the RCC.
 

Walter

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What does "invite Jesus into your heart" even mean? You cannot find it anywhere in the Bible. The closest one can get is a massive misinterpretation of Revelation 3:20, which has literally nothing to do with salvation and everything to do with a wayward church.

Never said it was in Scripture. Easy Believism is rampant in Baptist churches and you know it. The ritual of 'The Invitation' takes place in thousands of Baptist services every Sunday.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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No. I've watched their services online, but never experienced one. The only part I want to experience is a Greek Orthodox festival where we eat Greek food.



Good food forgives a lot of bad doctrine, don't ya know. I'd even go to a Reformed Baptist church if they had good beer bratwurst (and grilled onions). :D
Wisconsin and/or Maywood NJ ... Dinkel Acker Swabian and Becks :Smile
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I'm not mastered by sin.
I'm diverse. :D
OKkkk... will let that one pass. Reminds me of the time I was traveling to Dallas with 5 guys for training. That evening the boss takes us to a strip club and the guy (from St. Paul Minnesota) the night before is telling us how he will miss being with wife & family going to church, being in choir, blah blah blah. Don’t you know he is the guy at the end of the night begging us for dollar bills!:Biggrin The next day his excuse is this, “you don’t understand, where I live they are allot of fat big German women” ... ha, ha, ha :Roflmao. The hypocrisy is just stunning!!!;)
 

rsr

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What culture us the Coptic Church?

North African, primarily Egyptian; the Copts are one of the Oriental Orthodox churches that broke with Eastern Orthodox after the Council of Chalcedon over a definition of Christology (and, truth be told) elevation of the patriarch of Constantinople to second in dignity among the various ancient patriarchs. The patriarch of Alexandria's title is pope.

The Copts are a significant minority in Egypt; if you see news that a church has been attacked in Egypt, most likely it's a Coptic church.
 

Adonia

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No. I've watched their services online, but never experienced one.

Oh boy, you would be in for a treat! Pre - Vatican II our worship would last at the most an hour and a half and that was High Mass on Sunday with the opera singer and everything. At the Orthodox service I went to it was 2 hours plus! What got me was people kept coming in at all parts of the worship service and I asked someone about it and that was completely acceptable. I loved the way they have Communion though, everyone receives kneeling down, plus the bread is dunked into the wine (called intinction) and is then given to the communicant. That was very respectful way to receive Holy Communion if you ask me and was the way we did it pre - Vatican II minus the intinction part. What I didn't like was all the kissing of some icons which were placed in front of the pews, that was a bit much as far as I was concerned.
 
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