How many liberals does it take to win a war?

[Dragoon68]

Originally posted by Daisy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dragoon68:
This article represents a very flawed point of view.

It's a poem, not an article, and as such, far better than Russ's.

It's a typical liberal point of view that discredits our motives and methods, places us in the role of evil aggressor and oppressor, and blames us for "all" that's wrong in the world.

No, not "all", just certain, specific things.

It cheapens the sacrifices of all those who serve and who have served.

No, it doesn't. It merely decries imperialism.

It's a view that doesn't support winning wars and is very harmful to our nation.

No, it's a view that doesn't support starting wars - that would have saved our nation much grief had it been heeded.

Those who support this view, in effect, support our enemies.

Utter nonsense. This poem shows how an innocent civilian who was NOT an enemy before the invasion, becomes one.

It is truly disgusting that any American could buy into such a point of view.

What is disgusting wanting to invade countries that pose no credible threat to us and pretending that it is moral and right.

More specifically, it clearly illustrates why liberal thinking can not win wars.

No, it shows clearly why liberal thinking PREVENTS such wars. Once thinking such as yours gets us into these horrible messes, liberals fight to set things right as ably as anyone. </font>[/QUOTE]Those, indeed, are the views of a diehard liberal. They're accurately and ably presented but wrong never the less. I'm so glad those views are not the ones driving our nation's policy for the time being and hope it stays that way.

 

[StraightAndNarrow]

Originally posted by carpro:
The list is misleading and apparently you or someone else hand picked them to best make your point.

BTW Where are George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, and Zell Miller since you didn't respond the first time.

Not that it matters to the central thrust of this thread, but I'll take a moment to respond to your "gerrymandered" list.


Military Service in the Congress by Party
(Combined House of Representatives and Senate)

Republicans with military service: 15.7%
Democrats with military service: 9.7%
Independants with military service: 0.2%


Military Service in the Senate Armed Services Committee by Party
Republicans with military service: 26.1%
Democrats with military service: 13%


Military Service in the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee by Party
Republicans with military service: 28.6%
Democrats with military service: 7.1%
Independants with military service: 7.1%


Military Service in the House Committee on Armed Services by Party
Republicans with military service: 19.7%
Democrats with military service: 13.1%


Military Service in the House Committee on Veterans' Affairs by Party
Republicans with military service: 24%
Democrats with military service: 12%

I don't know where you got your numbers but this comes from the Senate web site.

The 108 Congress A Profile
http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RS21379.pdf

Congress is composed of 540 individuals from the 50 states, as well as the District
of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and American Samoa. This
count assumes that no seat is temporarily vacant.2 The following is a profile of the 108th
Congress.

Party Breakdown
In the 108th Congress, the current party breakdown in the House is 227 Republicans,
210 Democrats (including five Delegates), and one Independent who is aligned with the
Democrats. The Senate has 51 Republicans, 48 Democrats, and one Independent who is
aligned with the Democrats.

Military Service14
There are 153 Members of the 108th Congress who have had some form of military service, some 14 fewer than in the 107th Congress. The House has 117 veterans: 69
Republicans and 48 Democrats, including one woman, who is a Republican. In the
Senate, 35 Members is veterans: 19 Republicans and 16 Democrats. They have served in World War II, the Korean War, Vietnam, the Persian Gulf, and Kosovo, and during times of peace, as well as in the Reserves and the National Guard. One Senator is a former Secretary of the Navy. There has been a steady decline in the number of Members who have served in the military, which may be attributed in part to the end of the Selective Service System draft in 1973.

Total Congress
540
Republican
227+51 = 278
Veterans 69
% Vet = 69/278 = 25%

Democrat
210+49 = 259
Veterans 48
% Vet = 48/259 = 19%

 

[emeraldctyangel]

Utter nonsense. This poem shows how an innocent civilian who was NOT an enemy before the invasion, becomes one.

Step one in how to be a proper liberal - hedge your bets on everything. Kind of makes you wonder if they say the same things to everyone or is there just a different viewpoint for each person they meet?

No, it shows clearly why liberal thinking PREVENTS such wars. Once thinking such as yours gets us into these horrible messes, liberals fight to set things right as ably as anyone.

Of course it does. Everything is perfect when you live in some alternate universe.

Now where is that picture of the large crying baby when you need it? LOL

Those, indeed, are the views of a diehard liberal. They're accurately and ably presented but wrong never the less. I'm so glad those views are not the ones driving our nation's policy for the time being and hope it stays that way.

 

[Daisy]

Originally posted by emeraldctyangel:
Step one in how to be a proper liberal - hedge your bets on everything. Kind of makes you wonder if they say the same things to everyone or is there just a different viewpoint for each person they meet?

No bets are being hedged here. Of course other viewpoints are considered and parts I find legitimate are integrated into my own. Pity that some are so mired in their own pov that they can only fling muck at those who disagree.

Of course it does. Everything is perfect when you live in some alternate universe.

Whatever that means. You seem fixated on perfect worlds, emeraldctyangel, but they just don't exist, not in this life. That does not mean that we should cease trying to make this one a little bit better.

Now where is that picture of the large crying baby when you need it? LOL

Lame-o attempt at insult noted.

 

[carpro]

Originally posted by StraightAndNarrow:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by carpro:
The list is misleading and apparently you or someone else hand picked them to best make your point.

BTW Where are George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, and Zell Miller since you didn't respond the first time.

Not that it matters to the central thrust of this thread, but I'll take a moment to respond to your "gerrymandered" list.


Military Service in the Congress by Party
(Combined House of Representatives and Senate)

Republicans with military service: 15.7%
Democrats with military service: 9.7%
Independants with military service: 0.2%


Military Service in the Senate Armed Services Committee by Party
Republicans with military service: 26.1%
Democrats with military service: 13%


Military Service in the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee by Party
Republicans with military service: 28.6%
Democrats with military service: 7.1%
Independants with military service: 7.1%


Military Service in the House Committee on Armed Services by Party
Republicans with military service: 19.7%
Democrats with military service: 13.1%


Military Service in the House Committee on Veterans' Affairs by Party
Republicans with military service: 24%
Democrats with military service: 12%

I don't know where you got your numbers but this comes from the Senate web site.

</font>[/QUOTE]The source is clearly posted.

There is no conflict with the numbers you posted. Your source used different parameters.

 

[StraightAndNarrow]

What is the source? I don't see it in your post.

 

[Daisy]

Here's a poem from someone recently returned from Iraq:

Occupy My Mind

Anger bubbles up
Like oil, no foil
That's really me
Breaking my feet
on Baghdad's streets.

6 months turned into 12,
I scratch my temple
An example of
Deployment extension-
Details in the devil.

What’s the deal?
I feel my appeal
For peace at least
Should appease this
Pain in my knees

My back aches
From the hate
This time generates,
I need pain relief from
The grief of my State.

All this anger &
Frustration, mutations of
Fear of hearing
I’m dead and
My family’s tears.

It builds and fills
My days here with hate;
PTSD diagnosed
And one breakdown
Too late.

I try to maintain
My sane frame of mind:
Be kind. Try to find
The words and ways
To ease my mind

As an Occupier
Yet Defy-er of
My government’s crimes.
It’s hard, hardly seems
Like peace I’ll find.

Sean Burden (linkie)

30 years old


"Ex-Navy Corpsman, just out of military last year. I was in Iraq in 2003 from Feb-Sept. I am back home in the Seattle area, finishing a degree in Interdisciplinary Studies and taking care of my 1 year old son."

Just trying to present more povs, 'cause we don't want to be one-sided.

 

[Priscilla Ann]

Hi, Daisy! I always look forward to your posts!

PA

 

[carpro]

Originally posted by StraightAndNarrow:
What is the source? I don't see it in your post.

http://www.whoserved.com/index.asp

Sorry. It was on the next page.