How many more murders is your gun worth?

[AustinC]

When you eliminate abortion deaths, car accident deaths, atv deaths,drownings, get back to me.

So, you will ignore accidental gun deaths until other accidental deaths are resolved. That's avoidance on your part.
With cars, if you buckle your children in with seatbelts, you reduce deaths in an accident.
With guns, if you lock your guns in a gun cabinet, you reduce deaths in an accidental shooting.
Leaving a loaded gun sitting around the house is as foolish as driving 100 mph without wearing a seatbelt.

 

[AustinC]

We can agree guns “should be” secured. I don’t want the fed or state forcing people to secure their guns as people can assess their own needs and make their own decisions.

Maybe they don’t think their guns will result in an accidental death because the overwhelming majority do not result in accidental deaths in their homes.

You seem to think gun owners, in general, are not aware of the risks and just keep their guns laying all over the house just waiting for a bad guy to jump through a window.

Every gun owner I know safely stores their guns. Believe it or not, these folks aren’t hoping someone breaks in so they can shoot them. They aren’t living in fear of the same.

it’s kind of like learning martial arts. When you have the confidence you can defend yourself, you are not living in fear of a life threatening encounter because you are confident you can handle it.

peace to you

I don't disagree with you. However, I will note that the only thing the OP did was to post that therapy dogs were brought in to help people who are dealing with the trauma of a mass shooting in Florida. The use of these dogs to assist with healing from PTSD seems valuable to me.

As for your analogies, training in self-defense is valuable in that it provides a person with options, should a dire emergency occur. With guns, however, the loudest people tend to be the ones who imagine themselves to be Clint Eastwood or John Wayne when they are much closer to Barney Fife.

 

[kyredneck]

I can't help but notice OP hasn't responded to anyone.

FTW isn't as regular as others on the BB, he mostly just drops in to dump some TDS or far left propaganda every now and then.

 

[canadyjd]

I don't disagree with you. However, I will note that the only thing the OP did was to post that therapy dogs were brought in to help people who are dealing with the trauma of a mass shooting in Florida. The use of these dogs to assist with healing from PTSD seems valuable to me.

As for your analogies, training in self-defense is valuable in that it provides a person with options, should a dire emergency occur. With guns, however, the loudest people tend to be the ones who imagine themselves to be Clint Eastwood or John Wayne when they are much closer to Barney Fife.

Well, the link to the service dogs wasn’t the “only thing” the OP did. The title of the OP has nothing to do with service dogs and everything to do with making an outrageous statement about gun owners.

Your view of gun owners is stereotype based on ignorance.

peace to you

 

[kyredneck]

I have looked at your position on justification and seen that you teach justification by faith + works, which is the teaching of Rome. I am not false in stating this and connecting you to Rome regarding justification.

You're very narrow-minded and willfully ignorant if you think I'm connected to Rome in any way.

 

[AustinC]

You're very narrow-minded and willfully ignorant if you think I'm connected to Rome in any way.

I know you think that. And I know you despise Rome. Yet, your justification by faith plus works is a Roman Catholic teaching. So you either have to own that connection or explain how your faith plus works position is somehow different than Rome's faith plus works position.

 

[Reynolds]

So, you will ignore accidental gun deaths until other accidental deaths are resolved. That's avoidance on your part.
With cars, if you buckle your children in with seatbelts, you reduce deaths in an accident.
With guns, if you lock your guns in a gun cabinet, you reduce deaths in an accidental shooting.
Leaving a loaded gun sitting around the house is as foolish as driving 100 mph without wearing a seatbelt.

What is your point? None of my guns have accidentally killed anyone?
With freedom comes responsibility. People who live free will have accidents.

 

[AustinC]

What is your point? None of my guns have accidentally killed anyone?
With freedom comes responsibility. People who live free will have accidents.

Really? After I have clearly made my point, you still don't know what my point is?
Your argument is similar to that of people who refused to use seatbelts in cars. "No one has accidentally died from sitting in the back of my pickup bed while I drive down the highway. My driving hasn't killed anyone, so what's your point?"
Do you see how far off that dialogue would be? Can you see how poor of an argument you are making?

 

[JesusFan]

Again, you are avoiding the topic and bringing in strawman. You make claims about me that are patently false statements while avoiding the facts regarding guns.

By same logic, how many murders by drunk drivers needed before all cars and trucks are outlawed?

 

[Reynolds]

Really? After I have clearly made my point, you still don't know what my point is?
Your argument is similar to that of people who refused to use seatbelts in cars. "No one has accidentally died from sitting in the back of my pickup bed while I drive down the highway. My driving hasn't killed anyone, so what's your point?"
Do you see how far off that dialogue would be? Can you see how poor of an argument you are making?

A weapon is a tool. My weapon needs to be ready to use when the need arises. Just like all other tools, their use comes with risk.
You don't like freedom. You want your life micro managed by a government you feel will keep you safe. What you will get are tyrants that will make you anything but safe.

 

[AustinC]

By same logic, how many murders by drunk drivers needed before all cars and trucks are outlawed?

We have laws that prosecute such offenses. We don't just leave it up to personal preference.
People are jumping the shark as you will not find any comment I have ever made saying guns should be universally outlawed. I am, however, pointing out that guns left lying around and loaded in the house is as stupid as driving 100 mph down a dirt road with kids sitting in the bed of the pickup.

Yet, we have people on this thread essentially saying that such a choice is just fine and "don't tell me what to do" (big whine).

 

[AustinC]

A weapon is a tool. My weapon needs to be ready to use when the need arises. Just like all other tools, their use comes with risk.
You don't like freedom. You want your life micro managed by a government you feel will keep you safe. What you will get are tyrants that will make you anything but safe.

Yes, a gun is a tool. It's only purpose is to kill a living creature.
Lock up your tool when it's not in use.

 

[Reynolds]

Yes, a gun is a tool. It's only purpose is to kill a living creature.
Lock up your tool when it's not in use.

I will do whatever I want to with my tools.

 

[Reynolds]

We have laws that prosecute such offenses. We don't just leave it up to personal preference.
People are jumping the shark as you will not find any comment I have ever made saying guns should be universally outlawed. I am, however, pointing out that guns left lying around and loaded in the house is as stupid as driving 100 mph down a dirt road with kids sitting in the bed of the pickup.

Yet, we have people on this thread essentially saying that such a choice is just fine and "don't tell me what to do" (big whine).

A gun locked in a safe is worthless when you need it. My youngest could field strip, clean, and reassemble a Glock at age 7. He could hit IDPA small poppers at 30 ft. Just because some people are stupid, don't try to make me perform on their level. Some people need to be in a rubber room, some don't.

 

[AustinC]

A gun locked in a safe is worthless when you need it. My youngest could field strip, clean, and reassemble a Glock at age 7. He could hit IDPA small poppers at 30 ft. Just because some people are stupid, don't try to make me perform on their level. Some people need to be in a rubber room, some don't.

I'm honestly not impressed with your son's skills. I read it and see that you taught him how to kill at an early age. Why would that be something to be proud of?

Reynolds you are proving my point that some people argue for freedom to do stupid things.

 

[kyredneck]

I'm honestly not impressed with your son's skills.

...and we're not impressed by your preachy sanctimonious lectures. You'll be the last I'll take advice from on how to raise kids and grandkids. Mind your own business.

 

[Reynolds]

Austin,
My point is that my son knows that all the guns in my house, shop, trucks, and cars are real. He knows how to shoot them. He knows how to clean them. I feel no need to idiot proof my life to make a leftist like you happy. Idiot proof your own life if you feel the need.

Not all people need their hands held. My 11 year old is at the moment plowing the back 90 on a 100 hp tractor pulling a 12 ft offset. He will call me if he needs me. (That's common in the country) Maybe you and your friends should raise mature kids instead of trying to get me to dumb mine down.

 

[AustinC]

Austin,
My point is that my son knows that all the guns in my house, shop, trucks, and cars are real. He knows how to shoot them. He knows how to clean them. I feel no need to idiot proof my life to make a leftist like you happy. Idiot proof your own life if you feel the need.

Not all people need their hands held. My 11 year old is at the moment plowing the back 90 on a 100 hp tractor pulling a 12 ft offset. He will call me if he needs me. (That's common in the country) Maybe you and your friends should raise mature kids instead of trying to get me to dumb mine down.

Again you speak falsely about myself as I am by no means a liberal. But, I am by no means a right-wing libertarian and radically individualist either. I actually care about more than just myself and my kin. I guess to you, that is leftist, but, based on your comments there are likely no more than a handful of people who are farther right than where you stand, which in truth makes you an outlier in society.

 

[JonC]

The logic behind this thread is odd.

How many deaths is owing a car worth?

Tylenol has been used to murder people. About 500 people die from Tylenol annually. How much more before it is pulled from the market?

How many people have to die from knife stabbings in the UK before knives are made illegal? How many lives are knives worth?

What about fatal dog attacks in the UK? Not a lot, but how many human lives is owing a dog worth?

 

[FollowTheWay]

I never sasi

So by your logic (or lack of) once guns are illegal gun crime will end?

Did I say that. Posting this shows you don't really a pro-gun argument. You're not pro-life are you?