How many more murders is your gun worth?

[FollowTheWay]

The logic behind this thread is odd.

How many deaths is owing a car worth?

Tylenol has been used to murder people. About 500 people die from Tylenol annually. How much more before it is pulled from the market?

How many people have to die from knife stabbings in the UK before knives are made illegal? How many lives are knives worth?

What about fatal dog attacks in the UK? Not a lot, but how many human lives is owing a dog worth?

Other industrialized countries don't have the gun violence we have. I hope you don't consider yourself pro-life.

 

[Reynolds]

Again you speak falsely about myself as I am by no means a liberal. But, I am by no means a right-wing libertarian and radically individualist either. I actually care about more than just myself and my kin. I guess to you, that is leftist, but, based on your comments there are likely no more than a handful of people who are farther right than where you stand, which in truth makes you an outlier in society.

You still a leftist. I am as right wing as they and dang proud of it.

 

[canadyjd]

Other industrialized countries don't have the gun violence we have. I hope you don't consider yourself pro-life.

It is nonsensical to say a person cannot be pro 2nd A and pro-life.

peace to you

 

[JesusFan]

It is nonsensical to say a person cannot be pro 2nd A and pro-life.

peace to you

Well, to me about the same as claiming if hold to pro life, none can be for capital punishment!

 

[JesusFan]

We have laws that prosecute such offenses. We don't just leave it up to personal preference.
People are jumping the shark as you will not find any comment I have ever made saying guns should be universally outlawed. I am, however, pointing out that guns left lying around and loaded in the house is as stupid as driving 100 mph down a dirt road with kids sitting in the bed of the pickup.

Yet, we have people on this thread essentially saying that such a choice is just fine and "don't tell me what to do" (big whine).

You do seem to be holding at times to a stance that if just got rid of those pesky guns, all mass murders would then cease!

 

[5 point Gillinist]

I never sasi

Did I say that. Posting this shows you don't really a pro-gun argument. You're not pro-life are you?

"How many more murders is your gun worth?" The title of your thread. Now doesn't that suggest that you think guns should be banned? Of course I'm prolife - which is why I think it is morally superior for an innocent party to be able to shoot an individual who is trying to rape and/or murder them.

 

[Reynolds]

"How many more murders is your gun worth?" The title of your thread. Now doesn't that suggest that you think guns should be banned? Of course I'm prolife - which is why I think it is morally superior for an innocent party to be able to shoot an individual who is trying to rape and/or murder them.

You must keep in mind that one of the leftist in this thread has admitted he would not use deadly force to protect his wife or kids from rape or murder.

 

[JonC]

Other industrialized countries don't have the gun violence we have. I hope you don't consider yourself pro-life.

I am pro life. Why would you think otherwise?

I am just questioning the logic of the OP. When applied it fails. It is more an illogical tactic than a legitimate argument.

An example of your logic - there are many instances where a gun in a home, one that was not used to kill, was enough a deterrent in a situation to save the life of the gun owner.

Do you wish they had died? Are you pro-death? Does your devaluation of human life extend to the unborn? Are you pro-abortion? Or is your pro-death stance only directed to the born? What about children? Does your pro-death stance extend towards them, or is it limited to adults only?

 

[AustinC]

You do seem to be holding at times to a stance that if just got rid of those pesky guns, all mass murders would then cease!

9/11 proves that is not true so you're barking up the wrong tree. Guns are only pesky when people leave them lying around and loaded. Keep them in a safe spot. Take them out to go to the shooting range or to go and legally hunt. Leaving guns around cause you're afraid of "varments" and some criminal that has never entered your dormacile is just paranoia striking home in your head.

 

[AustinC]

You still a leftist. I am as right wing as they and dang proud of it.

You can shake hands with far left in the 360 spectrum. Meaning you both are outliers and insignificant to society as a whole.

 

[5 point Gillinist]

You must keep in mind that one of the leftist in this thread has admitted he would not use deadly force to protect his wife or kids from rape or murder.

Now that doesn't seem like loving your neighbor. I doubt God views it as glorifying to His name to allow someone to murder and rape one's own family.

 

[Wingman68]

Unpublished CDC Study Confirms More than 2 Million Defensive Handgun Uses Annually

More unreported studies that were unpublished because they didn’t produce the desired outcome.

 

[JesusFan]

9/11 proves that is not true so you're barking up the wrong tree. Guns are only pesky when people leave them lying around and loaded. Keep them in a safe spot. Take them out to go to the shooting range or to go and legally hunt. Leaving guns around cause you're afraid of "varments" and some criminal that has never entered your dormacile is just paranoia striking home in your head.

If someone came into anothers house, would not the sight of a 44 magnum pointed at them cause them to change mind and flee?

 

[AustinC]

If someone came into anothers house, would not the sight of a 44 magnum pointed at them cause them to change mind and flee?

Who knows. You have a hypothetical scenario as you argument. It's similar to the US arguing it needs a bigger "deterrent" and then justifies vast amounts of money being spent on "defense."
Are you going to walk around and sleep with your "Dirty Harry" on the off chance that someone you don't know walks into your house and your only recourse is to have them stare down the barrel of a big pistol?
I, personally, don't live my life in that kind of paranoia.

 

[AustinC]

You must keep in mind that one of the leftist in this thread has admitted he would not use deadly force to protect his wife or kids from rape or murder.

Now that doesn't seem like loving your neighbor. I doubt God views it as glorifying to His name to allow someone to murder and rape one's own family.

You have to understand that the extreme right posters don't know what they are talking about and are just acting out because they value their radical independence over everything else. (The Bible calls this idolatry.)

God is more than capable of protecting His children without them carrying a gun. Or do you think God needs us to pack that ".44 magnum?"

 

[5 point Gillinist]

God is more than capable of protecting His children without them carrying a gun. Or do you think God needs us to pack that ".44 magnum?"

God is more than capable of providing for His children without them going to the supermarket. Or do you think God needs us to go to the "grocery store?"

 

[Reynolds]

You have to understand that the extreme right posters don't know what they are talking about and are just acting out because they value their radical independence over everything else. (The Bible calls this idolatry.)

God is more than capable of protecting His children without them carrying a gun. Or do you think God needs us to pack that ".44 magnum?"

That argument cuts both ways. God is capable of protecting kids from guns lying around too. Quit whining about it.
God is capable of healing too, but I bet you go the Dr.
In your theology, God is only conveniently capable.

 

[Reynolds]

God is more than capable of providing for His children without them going to the supermarket. Or do you think God needs us to go to the "grocery store?"

He did send Manna and Ravens. I bet our resident leftist is not waiting on them.

 

[Reynolds]

Who knows. You have a hypothetical scenario as you argument. It's similar to the US arguing it needs a bigger "deterrent" and then justifies vast amounts of money being spent on "defense."
Are you going to walk around and sleep with your "Dirty Harry" on the off chance that someone you don't know walks into your house and your only recourse is to have them stare down the barrel of a big pistol?
I, personally, don't live my life in that kind of paranoia.

I sleep with a 19x hanging in a shoulder holster right where I put my head. I have "the fastest semi auto shotgun ever made" (according to Beretta), with tactical light mounted on it, sitting between my night stand and bed. I have a semi auto M4 hung over the bedroom door.
"Be prepared" is what I learned in Boy Scouts.(Before they turned into queer scouts)

 

[AustinC]

I sleep with a 19x hanging in a shoulder holster right where I put my head. I have "the fastest semi auto shotgun ever made" (according to Beretta), with tactical light mounted on it, sitting between my night stand and bed. I have a semi auto M4 hung over the bedroom door.
"Be prepared" is what I learned in Boy Scouts.(Before they turned into queer scouts)

Big deal. Death will take you out regardless of your weapons.