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How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

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JonShaff

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Yeshua1 said:
I am not, as we do not need any prophets and Apostles anymore today, not operating in same sense/way as in the Bible!
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Yes we do, the Bible Clearly teaches us we do.

Ephesians 4:11-16

They will continue until...(Christ returns)

They are necessary for every place the Gospel of Christ goes forth; for every new work the Lord starts and establishes.

JESUS is the The complete "Five Fold" and He is the Apostle of our Faith, The Prophet of God, who still works in His people. If apostle and prophet cease, then you are saying Christ ceases to work through His people.
 
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JonShaff said:
Yes we do, the Bible Clearly teaches us we do.

Ephesians 4:11-16

They will continue until...(Christ returns)

They are necessary for every place the Gospel of Christ goes forth; for every new work the Lord starts and establishes.

JESUS is the The complete "Five Fold" and He is the Apostle of our Faith, The Prophet of God, who still works in His people. If apostle and prophet cease, than you are saying Christ ceases to work through His people.
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Paul states that all that is needed for us today are the scriptures, correct?
 
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Steven Yeadon said:
Why are missionaries and domestic church planters not more authoritative than local pastors in the global church? Why doesn't the bible expressly indicate that apostles are missionaries? Because it doesn't at any point I know of.
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the Latin word Missio and Greek Apostolos are "sent ones" (envoys; messengers). Yes bro, Missionaries are apostles and apostles are missionaries. Think about what modern day missionaries do.

Go to an area with no or limited Gospel access.
Preach the Word
Gather the (new) church
Raise up leaders to mature the Church
Go to the next area with limited Gospel Access.
That's the Work of an Apostle/Missionary.
 
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Steven Yeadon said:
Paul claims to be the last apostle (1 Corinthians 15:7-9).

7Then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8And last of all He appeared to me also, as to one of untimely birth. 9For I am the least of the apostles and am unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
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Paul doesn't claim to be the last apostle here, he claims to be the last one to see the Resurrected Christ (as context is proving the Resurrection of our Lord). Your claim is off base.
 
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Steven Yeadon said:
Doesn't your teaching open up many problems? Apostles are first in the church we are told in 1 Corinthians 12:28.

And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.
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Correct, you need Called apostles to go to places FIRST--Adoniram Judson, the apostle to the Burmese.
 
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Yeshua1 said:
not all of the gifts are for today! Especially the so called signs and wonders gifts!
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I've enjoyed engaging with you, but i think this is as far as the convo will go. Ephesians 4:11-16 clearly teaches that God will continue to raise people up to further the Kingdom of God, as he equips and matures His people. I can't make you see that. Have a good one bro.
 
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JonShaff said:
Paul doesn't claim to be the last apostle here, he claims to be the last one to see the Resurrected Christ (as context is proving the Resurrection of our Lord). Your claim is off base.
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he was the last Apostle commissioned by Christ, as he was the real replacement for judas among the 12!
 
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JonShaff said:
There is no other?
What about Timothy, Silas, Titus? All apostles that ministered to the Gentile Churches.
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not inspired though as paul was by God directly, to do signs and wonders, and to record scriptures for us down!
 
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JonShaff said:
I've enjoyed engaging with you, but i think this is as far as the convo will go. Ephesians 4:11-16 clearly teaches that God will continue to raise people up to further the Kingdom of God, as he equips and matures His people. I can't make you see that. Have a good one bro.
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God will not add to scriptures, nor give forth any additional revelations!
 
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