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There is only ONE way to be where the Lord is:J. Jump said:What I am talking about is an inconsistency in your theology. You have said that our sins are taken care of at the cross. However I John 1:9 tells us that we have to confess our sins to have them forgiven.
So your theology has all of our sins forgiven at the cross when we are first saved and then we have to confess them to have them forgiven again when we actually commit them.
You have a perfect God that has to do something twice. That's just logically impossible. When God forgives it is done with.
Your only explanation to date is that our future sin, when it becomes a reality breaks our relationship with God, which again is impossible in your theology because that sin while it has yet to be comitted has already been forgiven, so once it is committed there is still nothing to break the relationship.
Your theology is flawed in the area of when sins are forgiven and what sins are forgiven at the point of the receiving of everlasting life.
You have a tendancy to see what you want to see. I'm not going to go back through these post to do "your" homework. You go back through them.
But I even remember my quote which said that I was tired of playing your games, but just so that you couldn't falsely accuse me in the future (that obviously didn't work) I gave you Revelation 19:8 to ponder.
And as with everything else you merely wrote it off because of what some "theologian" had to say on the matter despite what the text actually says.
Not to mention the many times I have explained how "works" actually work in the life of a Christian. The question has been answered MANY times and I even answered it for you again, but I don't suppose that will stop you asking and accusing of avoidance will it? :tear:
I see so more of the we have to answer your questions, but it's okay for you to avoid, dodge or refuse to answer mine. Hmmm . . . typical.
Why don't you go to the OT salvation thread that I started and since it is on topic there you can venture an answer.
Amy.G said:I am still interested in your personal testimony. Was your life changed at salvation?
Amy.G said:By WHOSE righteousness will you enter the kingdom? I will help you. You only have to answer A or B.
A. Your righteousness
B. Christ's righteousness
npetreley said:By WHOSE righteousness will you enter the kingdom?
That is my guess as well. I will gladly share my testimony with anyone. How could I not? I love the Lord with ALL my heart :love2: and it gives me great joy to talk about Him and all that He has done for me.npetreley said:I'm guessing it wasn't changed. After all, if they experienced a change in their lives, why are they so paranoid about Christians running around in a fleshly rampage killing people, doing drugs, commiting adultery, etc?
My point exactly.Cutter said:In Christ alone! Praise be unto HIM!!!
How anyone could skirt around this question, I have no idea. Unless, of course, it destroys their false doctrine.
If the foundation is made of sand then the whole structure is worthless.
WOW . . . I answer the question for you AGAIN and still all we get is your nonsense. I and others have answered this question for you MULTIPLE times Amy, including AGAIN in this thread. Just because you don't like or agree with the answer doesn't mean a person is refusing to answer your question.Do you not see that by your refusal to answer a simple question of "whose righteousness will gain your entrance to the kingdom", that your entire doctrine falls?
You have NOT answered the question! If so, prove it. It is not my job to confirm your statement.J. Jump said:WOW . . . I answer the question for you AGAIN and still all we get is your nonsense. I and others have answered this question for you MULTIPLE times Amy, including AGAIN in this thread. Just because you don't like or agree with the answer doesn't mean a person is refusing to answer your question.
And instead of answering the question that I have been trying for a few days now to get you folks to answer you gladly try to change the subject to my testimony.
Why not try answering a few questions instead of asking so many questions that you really don't want the answers to in the first place.
What difference does my "testimony" make in the first place? The ONLY thing that matters is that what the Scriptures say.
Now are you going to step up to the plate and answer some questions or are you just going to continue to falsely accuse and try and change the subject?
MY GOODNESS AMY. This question was answered for you in THIS THREAD. This is unreal. Not five or six posts ago I answered this question for you AGAIN and you still spew your nonsense. As Charlie Brown would say "GOOD GRIEF!"You have NOT answered the question!
God saved me the same as He saved you by His grace through faith apart from works. I didn't know that I needed testify to that?Why would any born again believer turn down the opportunity to share how God saved them??????
Not only is it Biblical, but I have answered that question again and again as well. What a surpise another question from you that has been answered, but I guess you are going to accuse me of not dealing with that one as well huh?And it is important to know this, because you have repeatedly said that a person can be born again and have NO change. That is not biblical. If it is, prove it.
J. Jump said:MY GOODNESS AMY. This question was answered for you in THIS THREAD. This is unreal. Not five or six posts ago I answered this question for you AGAIN and you still spew your nonsense. As Charlie Brown would say "GOOD GRIEF!"
J. Jump said:God saved me the same as He saved you by His grace through faith apart from works. I didn't know that I needed testify to that?
J. Jump said:By the way I'm STILL waiting for some answers to my questions. Are you going to step up or just continue to demand what you don't want to hear anyway?
Yeah if you call "go read your Bible" an answer. I don't call that an answer. I call that a cop-out. We have given you detailed answer time and time and time and time again. You don't like what we have to say, nor do you agree with it, but we have at least taken the time to answer your questions in detail.I'll play your way. "We answered the questions 1,000 times already! Good grief!"
J. Jump said:Yeah if you call "go read your Bible" an answer. I don't call that an answer. I call that a cop-out. We have given you detailed answer time and time and time and time again. You don't like what we have to say, nor do you agree with it, but we have at least taken the time to answer your questions in detail.
Saying go read your Bible is not an answer. So I'll continue to WAIT.
Do you think Mary was unsaved until the ministry of Jesus Christ?
MY GOODNESS AMY. This question was answered for you in THIS THREAD. This is unreal. Not five or six posts ago I answered this question for you AGAIN and you still spew your nonsense. As Charlie Brown would say "GOOD GRIEF!"
WOW . . . I answer the question for you AGAIN and still all we get is your nonsense. I and others have answered this question for you MULTIPLE times Amy, including AGAIN in this thread. Just because you don't like or agree with the answer doesn't mean a person is refusing to answer your question.
So you call "read your bible" very detailed huh? Well there you go.Wait all you want. Just like you, we gave you a very detailed answer several times.
Amy I have answered that MULTIPLE times. If you don't want to go back and read just a few posts back that's fine and that's on you, but I"m tired of playing pass the buck with you people. It's obvious that all you want to do is argue for the sake of arguing. And that's just silly.By WHOSE righteousness will you enter the kingdom????
Who said that? And you do need to read the Bible. Especially the part about being saved by GRACE apart from works.J. Jump said:So you call "read your bible" very detailed huh? Well there you go.
Is that all you can say?J. Jump said:Amy I have answered that MULTIPLE times. If you don't want to go back and read just a few posts back that's fine and that's on you, but I"m tired of playing pass the buck with you people. It's obvious that all you want to do is argue for the sake of arguing. And that's just silly.
The question has been answered and it's been answered in this thread.
Why do you keep avoiding my question? Do I get to play the well since you won't answer it I must be right card like you folks do?
Or are you going to fall back on npetreley and TCGreek's answer of read your bible?
At least I gave you all a verse to read. They can't even do that.
By the way let's just state the beginning question again . . . Do you think Mary was "saved (possessed everlasting life) before Jesus was born? If so how was she saved?
Well I already answered that question for you to, but you were probably typing so let me give it again just so I can't be falsely accused.Who said that?
Or are you going to fall back on npetreley and TCGreek's answer of read your bible?
You never answered the question. Plus, here are your options:J. Jump said:Amy I have answered that MULTIPLE times. If you don't want to go back and read just a few posts back that's fine and that's on you, but I"m tired of playing pass the buck with you people. It's obvious that all you want to do is argue for the sake of arguing. And that's just silly.
The question has been answered and it's been answered in this thread.
Why do you keep avoiding my question? Do I get to play the well since you won't answer it I must be right card like you folks do?
Or are you going to fall back on npetreley and TCGreek's answer of read your bible?
At least I gave you all a verse to read. They can't even do that.
By the way let's just state the beginning question again . . . Do you think Mary was "saved (possessed everlasting life) before Jesus was born? If so how was she saved?
I answered the question. And I've said THAT multiple times. I'm not sure what post it was. It's probably a page back or two by now with all this nonense. Well I'm sorry you can't find it, but that doesn't give you room to falsely accuse someone for your lack of ability.Who answered the question? And what post was it? Because I can't find it.