How Old Is The Earth?

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

There is still not a clear question. Which age? The one in the Bible or the one scientist think? Neither have much importance whatsoever. Some have argued that humanism has taken over the church and that if there is only nature, how did humans come to believe in a God to begin with? So the Bible was set aside to figure out where God came from. In the meantime science figured out an age for the earth and universe. Then when the church found out, they lost both God and God's Word. It has been a fight to get back to any original position. The church itself, in modern terms, had to be told by an outsider that the Bible did indeed declare God was transcendent, and outside of creation itself. Thus God is not a product of creation. Why does anyone want to know why God did what God did? If God is outside of creation, and created the world as finite, the only importance is that God is about to shake things up and turn the world upside down again. That is why time and dates are important to the church. The world only does their research as environmental conditions direct the course of human life. Then folks on all sides pass the time debating about the facts.

Not so long ago, the universe was considered eternal by many non-Christian scientists. What really raised their hackles was the discovery that the universe is expanding. Why? Because it implies a beginning, suggesting that the Bible was right all along: ”In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.”

They were desperate to come up with an explanation that avoided a beginning. Every attempt has failed. Now they postulate, metaphysically not scientifically mind you, an eternal Multiverse.

If instead of focusing on the age of the earth, Christians apologists would focus on the fact of the beginning and the metaphysical cop-out of a multiverse, perhaps they would make more headway in getting a hearing.

 

[timtofly]

Not so long ago, the universe was considered eternal by many non-Christian scientists. What really raised their hackles was the discovery that the universe is expanding. Why? Because it implies a beginning, suggesting that the Bible was right all along: ”In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.”

They were desperate to come up with an explanation that avoided a beginning. Every attempt has failed. Now they postulate, metaphysically not scientifically mind you, an eternal Multiverse.

If instead of focusing on the age of the earth, Christians apologists would focus on the fact of the beginning and the metaphysical cop-out of a multiverse, perhaps they would make more headway in getting a hearing.

God says it is in His Word people know the truth. The point is not to change wills or minds.


You could hand out counterfeit 100 dollar bills all day and make many people happy. It will not last long though.

You could also tell them their world is going to be turned upside down within months, which is biblical truth. That has not even made a dent in faithful Christians.


Jonah walked through Nineveh 1 Day as part of a 3 day trek. He said Nineveh would be overthrown in 40 days. That is all he said. The Holy Spirit was already working. The whole city from the king on down repented and asked God for mercy. No one had a clue about an enemy or even God, yet they knew in their hearts and minds what to do.

Now days people know too much it seems.

Jonah was a Calvinist because he told God, "I told you so". Jonah knew that it was God's will, and it would have happened one way or the other. Really? Jonah should have kept running away to test that theory out. He was a terrible scientists.

 

[robycop3]

I believe Jonah said more to the Ninevites than what was recorded in Scripture. Who would believe anyone just walking down the street of a great city hollering it'll be destroyed within 40 days ?

And at least some Assyrians likely knew of God from their Israeli captives.

While the Assyrians had a policy of not killing a madman, they were too smart to simply believe one whom they believed mad, either. So, Jonah musta spoken of God to them.

BTW, I believe Jonah was swallowed by a whale, not a fish, as a fish wouldn't have any air in its belly.

 

[robycop3]

The earth is VERY old. The current arrangement of the surface is no older than the time of Genesis 1.

 

[timtofly]

The earth is VERY old. The current arrangement of the surface is no older than the time of Genesis 1.

The earth is dated very old. The earth is only 7000 years young. The earth was not created to be young. It was create to "look" old. It was created from nothing, 7000 years ago.

 

[robycop3]

The earth is dated very old. The earth is only 7000 years young. The earth was not created to be young. It was create to "look" old. It was created from nothing, 7000 years ago.

No, the earth IS old. Why would God make something to LOOK old? That'd be a deception, which GOD doesn't do.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

God says it is in His Word people know the truth. The point is not to change wills or minds.


You could hand out counterfeit 100 dollar bills all day and make many people happy. It will not last long though.

You could also tell them their world is going to be turned upside down within months, which is biblical truth. That has not even made a dent in faithful Christians.


Jonah walked through Nineveh 1 Day as part of a 3 day trek. He said Nineveh would be overthrown in 40 days. That is all he said. The Holy Spirit was already working. The whole city from the king on down repented and asked God for mercy. No one had a clue about an enemy or even God, yet they knew in their hearts and minds what to do.

Now days people know too much it seems.

Jonah was a Calvinist because he told God, "I told you so". Jonah knew that it was God's will, and it would have happened one way or the other. Really? Jonah should have kept running away to test that theory out. He was a terrible scientists.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say Jonah didn’t get bogged down trying to explain to the Ninevites the true age of the earth when God told him to proclaim his message to them.

My point stands.

 

[Salty]

BTW, I believe Jonah was swallowed by a whale, not a fish, as a fish wouldn't have any air in its belly.

Didnt you know that Jonah had taken his SCUBA diving equipment - with 3 extra tanks!

 

[timtofly]

No, the earth IS old. Why would God make something to LOOK old? That'd be a deception, which GOD doesn't do.

It is not a deception. Did God deceive Adam by creating a 30 something old being without having grown up from a child? I put look in quotes. It is not a good description, since the earth does not look 4.5 billion years old. The earth only looks 7000 years old. It dates to millions and billions, because it was created to reflect a mature age. You will have to ask God why He picked the age He did. All we know is that God called it perfect. I am not sure why those who call themselves scientists, get to dictate an age that God does not record in the Bible. Most do not even accept Noah's Flood. Most do not know that this earth was perfect without decay or death for 1000 years, but it is in Genesis 2. So, yes it gives mature dates, when it should not. But why is that God being deceptive? There are many more accounts in the Bible that could be interpreted as God being deceptive. Is God deceptive? Is Satan deceptive? Is God in control of all Satan does? Calling God deceptive seems fairly easy to do, but I would not be one that accused God of deception. Would you? That was Job's mistake of self righteousness. That is Satan's lie, that God withholds information and deceives us, but it is only Satan who is allowed to decieve us.

 

[timtofly]

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say Jonah didn’t get bogged down trying to explain to the Ninevites the true age of the earth when God told him to proclaim his message to them.

My point stands.

I apologize for the derail. My point is that God can change the minds of thousands in a day, if God so chooses, because the Holy Spirit allows them to be willing to change. God could remove this veil of Satan's deception, and He will soon. The Bible still has the answer, because it is God's Word.

 

[church mouse guy]

No, the earth IS old. Why would God make something to LOOK old? That'd be a deception, which GOD doesn't do.

You have been saying that for millions and millions of years.

 

[JonC]

No, the earth IS old. Why would God make something to LOOK old? That'd be a deception, which GOD doesn't do.

I have wondered about this (I have encountered it before). Do you think that Adam was created an infant or an adult? Some have suggested a grown man in his 30's (I can't recall why in his 30's).

But at creation did Adam appear to be aged older than a day?

(That said, perhaps the only deception if the earth appeared old at the start would be self-deception and a misunderstanding of how a young earth should look. Perhaps the "appearance of age" was to foreshadow and explain the progression of time.)

 

[church mouse guy]

I have wondered about this (I have encountered it before). Do you think that Adam was created an infant or an adult? Some have suggested a grown man in his 30's (I can't recall why in his 30's).

But at creation did Adam appear to be aged older than a day?

(That said, perhaps the only deception if the earth appeared old at the start would be self-deception and a misunderstanding of how a young earth should look. Perhaps the "appearance of age" was to foreshadow and explain the progression of time.)

I think that that was just the way that it was and that the Hindus started all this millions and millions of years stuff. Americans recite it from the Greeks and the Enlightenment, an atheist movement of crackpot science. Remember that the American educational system is the worst in the industrialized world so people don't think things through but rely on experts, a doctrine of thinking advanced by John Dewey, socialist.

 

[Salty]

Well, lets look at it this way -does it really make a difference how old the Earth is?
And who would God be deceiving - Adam? (we know it doesn't take much to mess with Eve)

and at that point - would Adam really care or even understand? How many of us understand
all the Sciences of the Earth - Geology, Earth Science, ect.

Now granted - it is imperative that we accept the doctrine of repentance, death, burial, and Resurrection of Christ, and the like - without those beliefs - we do not have any salvation. But when it comes to the age of the Earth - it has nothing to do with our salvation.

As far as Adam - I believe he was created at age 18. That way, he was old enough to get a drivers license, but young enough that his auto insurance would be sky high.

 

[timtofly]

Well, lets look at it this way -does it really make a difference how old the Earth is?
And who would God be deceiving - Adam? (we know it doesn't take much to mess with Eve)

and at that point - would Adam really care or even understand? How many of us understand
all the Sciences of the Earth - Geology, Earth Science, ect.

Now granted - it is imperative that we accept the doctrine of repentance, death, burial, and Resurrection of Christ, and the like - without those beliefs - we do not have any salvation. But when it comes to the age of the Earth - it has nothing to do with our salvation.

As far as Adam - I believe he was created at age 18. That way, he was old enough to get a drivers license, but young enough that his auto insurance would be sky high.

If we deny that God created other sons of God on day 6, what is the point in showing off a car to all his friends?

 

[church mouse guy]

If we deny that God created other sons of God on day 6, what is the point in showing off a car to all his friends?

His car was how he picked up Eve after work, just sayin'

 

[church mouse guy]

Well, lets look at it this way -does it really make a difference how old the Earth is?
And who would God be deceiving - Adam? (we know it doesn't take much to mess with Eve)

and at that point - would Adam really care or even understand? How many of us understand
all the Sciences of the Earth - Geology, Earth Science, ect.

Now granted - it is imperative that we accept the doctrine of repentance, death, burial, and Resurrection of Christ, and the like - without those beliefs - we do not have any salvation. But when it comes to the age of the Earth - it has nothing to do with our salvation.

As far as Adam - I believe he was created at age 18. That way, he was old enough to get a drivers license, but young enough that his auto insurance would be sky high.

Of course, the age of the earth matters. The church fathers wrote about it 2,000 years ago. People were so evil before Noah's Flood that God had to destroy all but 8 people who believed God. But after Noah's Flood people again did evil and God forced them to scatter throughout the world. Some went to India and in contradiction of what Judaism taught started Hinduism and taught deep time or millions and millions of years as if there were no Adam and no Noah.

Now American Darwinists are teaching deep time as a necessity for evolution to occur. The earth was ruined by Noah's Flood after already having been cursed when Adam was expelled from the Garden of Eden forever. The curse extended to the entire universe.

What you also omit is that deep time and evolution are no longer good science if they ever were. The Greeks took the Indian ideas and sold them to the European pagans of the ancient world. Paul told them at Mar's Hill that they were superstitious. The atheistic Enlightenment revived Greek ideas and added their own crackpot science about deep time. The Enlightenment probably is aligned with the French Revolution but I don't know. The 19th century Brits pushed evolution and white supremacy as science. So yes it matters that the heathen believe the lies of men and Satan.

 

[timtofly]

His car was how he picked up Eve after work, just sayin'

What work? Eve had to even pick the fruit he ate.

 

[church mouse guy]

What work? Eve had to even pick the fruit he ate.

Ha!ha!

Adam was the first guy to tell a woman to fix him a sammich, just imagine.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Well, lets look at it this way -does it really make a difference how old the Earth is?

In some ways, yes, in others, no.

Hinduism was an early opponent of the “Big Bang,” first because it estimates the universe to be far older than the 2 billion years Hinduism claims for an oscillation, and then later because an oscillating universe was ruled out completely, along with all other possibilities of an eternal universe.

Don’t be misled. Materialists need eternal matter, and a system that can self-develop into a perfect environment for life. Even with the “old universe” as currently understood, they are dead in the water. No matter its extent, time is not on their side. No matter how old the universe, no matter how old the earth, the fine-tuning cannot be explained by natural phenomena, much less life itself.