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How should Christians judge America?
- Thread starter Calminian
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I didn't disagree.
The disagreement stemmed from your presentation that God would perfect (existing institution) when I showed that they will be obliterated at Armageddon.
Unless you think that "the authorities that exist are appointed by God" means they are good and in some manner righteous, then that passage does not disarm my original statement.
What is by, for, and of does not present a position of authority to the by for and of. As a citizen, I have a voice in a collective of voices, by alone my voice carries no authority. No remarks were made on my posts concerning voting, nor of responding to the government with other appeals.
However, when I recall that I am not a citizen of the world systems but of the heavenly, then I may speak as an ambassador. It is unrestricted by this world, and should not be conformed to the world. It is with the authority as the son and daughter of the Father that the believer should conduct their life.
So am I.
Trump has been in office for 3 years. We still have abortions going on. What's up with that. It took the stroke of a gavel to make it possible and the president is helpless to stop it? He is suppose to be the most powerful man in the country. A judge is suppose to enforce the law not make them
MB
Trump has already proven himself different than any other democrat. To say otherwise is absurd
The President doesn’t have the vaunted gavel, which you may have noticed has been used against him every time he tries his stroke of the pen that you want him to use to make abortion disappear. He would do it if he could. He is doing yeoman’s work toward that end with his SC appointments, which gets no appreciation from you. What if those two SCOTUS’ had been picked by Hillary? The odds would be zero that we could see an end to abortion in our lifetime. Your rantings are just that. No substance or validity.
He did defund pp
Yeah right; what you really mean is they won't change it.
Obama tried to make Obama care to be unchangeable too. There is no law that cannot be changed. Even the constitution is vulnerable to change. Men are doing away with our rights. They want to take our right to bear arms. You see once they accomplish that we become a totalitarian state with a dictator. I know it will come to that because one day every country will submit to a world rule under the anti Christ. Still even prophecy is not a reason to give up the fight to stay a free country. I for one do not wish to be forced to fight against God. In fact I won't be forced. They may kill me yet I prefer death rather than to betray my Lord.
MB
Now you're fighting with John. The fact is, God will purify and redeem the nations. There is not a hint anywhere in Scripture, Old or New Testament stating he will completely "obliterate" the nations. Just as the nation of Israel, the gentle nations hang around all the way to the end.
Here are all the final passages regarding the nations in Revelation. Read them for yourself and ask yourself if the nations will be completely obliterated.
Rev. 19:15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.
Rev. 20:3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
Rev. 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
Rev. 21:24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it.
Rev. 21:26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it.
Rev. 22:2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.
Rev. 20:3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
Rev. 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
Rev. 21:24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it.
Rev. 21:26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it.
Rev. 22:2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.
Yeah, I do believe it forces you away from you original stance that governments and nations are condemned and unable to do anything good. Governments from the time of Babel are from God, and to be honored and respected. They are specifically called "ministers of God." The fact is, government is a good institution put in place by God for our benefit. They can become corrupt, and God has judged them in the past and present. But generally speaking, Paul is correct, they are God's ministers. To say otherwise is to deny Scripture.
Paul referred to himself as a Roman citizen and appealed to its authority. Makes sense in light of Romans 13.
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It may come down to this, but it may not. America has overcome demons in the past, mainly because the Church became engaged and fought for what is right. My fear is the modern Church won't do this. They won't fight for the unborn like they did slaves. In that case, judgment will come, but make not mistake, God will judge the Church in our nation, first, before anyone else. Unbelievers are deceived, but the Church sins knowingly.
You have no idea what I would appreciate so do not pretend you do. I see no validity in you either. You talk big and claim to know but haven't shown anything but disrespect. You pretend you know yet you vote for evil.
MB
I can agree about the church of today. Church has not felt right for a long time. Seems as if money has taken over God;s place. Christ did say to come out of her so that we may not be partakers of her sins. He didn't say which church. He just said church.
MB
He appointed 2 pro-life justices, you saw what happened with that and is still happening.
Soon perhaps he will be appointing another to replace RBG then Roe v, Wade can be overturned.
He has so far budgeted almost 2 trillion dollars to the military.
My military family members are saying that the results have been greatly appreciated and esprit de corps is very good.
The economic boon.
Unemployment gone...
Yes it could be better but the marxist progressives have convinced the regular Democrats and the neocons, the RINOs, the haters to resist, resist, resist...
I am also disappointed with the RNC establishment who are sound asleep at the wheel.
Barr seems to be hiding away in the mouse hole with Sessions, etc...
He has appointed 7 to the 9th circuit and a total of 150 over all.
Different yes but, difference is why Obama became president. His mess will take decades to over come, if possible.
MB
Trump has already cleaned up most of it to include obamas power grab over water recently
Still keeping the faith in Barr. Law is a complicated thing, especially when it's political.
And I think Trump will need 2 appointments to overturn RvW. Something tells me one of the conservatives will balk.
All that said, the main ingredient, I'm convinced, is the Church. The Church must unify on this issue. If it doesn't, the fight against abortion will fail, and it won't be Trump's fault or the republicans fault. It will be ours, and God will judge us.