How Strongly Do You Hold to Your Doctrinal Beliefs?

[Yeshua1]

LOL, John 1:18 and John 1:13 are non-germane. Were you trying to find John 1:9?

9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man.

But John 1:9 supports point 4.

End times theology seems speculative to me, so I hold my progressive dispensationalism loosely. OTOH, I believe firmly:
1) Once saved, always saved
2) Christ died for all mankind, those to be saved and those never to be saved.
3) God chooses individuals for salvation conditionally, through faith in the truth.
4) We start out able to receive and respond to the gospel, but some of us lose our limited spiritual ability.
5) We beg the lost to be reconciled to God, but they are not compelled to accept the offer.

Actually, John tells us that Jesus makes His father known, and those who His reveals God to are the very elect of God!

 

[Reformed1689]

yet rich in faith

Where do you get the word yet?

 

[Van]

Actually, John tells us that Jesus makes His father known, and those who His reveals God to are the very elect of God!

Without citing a verse your assertions seem to lack support. John tells us Jesus makes His Father known, but does not limit His revelation to just Jews, or just those chosen, but to all mankind. John 1:9

 

[Van]

Where do you get the word yet?

Now where do folks get the words they add to the text? Do the words alter the message? Then out of their presumptions. Does the word simply clarify the message. Then out of God's truth.

 

[Yeshua1]

Without citing a verse your assertions seem to lack support. John tells us Jesus makes His Father known, but does not limit His revelation to just Jews, or just those chosen, but to all mankind. John 1:9

Jesus stated that all the father gives to Him shall be saved, and he will reveal them to his Father, is that all sinners then?

 

[Van]

Jesus stated that all the father gives to Him shall be saved, and he will reveal them to his Father, is that all sinners then?

All sinners given to Jesus by the Father will arrive within Christ, and those believing sinners shall be made righteous and never cast out, thus eternally saved.

All sinners not given to Jesus by the Father will suffer eternal punishment in Hades and Gehenna.

 

[Yeshua1]

All sinners given to Jesus by the Father will arrive within Christ, and those believing sinners shall be made righteous and never cast out, thus eternally saved.

All sinners not given to Jesus by the Father will suffer eternal punishment in Hades and Gehenna.

You are close to being a Calvinist if you really understand what you posted here!

 

[Reformed1689]

Now where do folks get the words they add to the text? Do the words alter the message? Then out of their presumptions. Does the word simply clarify the message. Then out of God's truth.

So you added it in to prop up your interpretation of the text? Isn't that exactly what you accuse the other side of doing (despite theirs is within semantic range)?

 

[Van]

You are close to being a Calvinist if you really understand what you posted here!

You have no clue as to what scripture teaches, such as Calvinism is bogus.

 

[Van]

So you added it in to prop up your interpretation of the text? Isn't that exactly what you accuse the other side of doing (despite theirs is within semantic range)?

Now where do folks get the words they add to the text? Do the words alter the message? Then out of their presumptions. Does the word simply clarify the message. Then out of God's truth.

 

[Reformed1689]

Now where do folks get the words they add to the text? Do the words alter the message? Then out of their presumptions. Does the word simply clarify the message. Then out of God's truth.

Why do you always repeat yourself? Do you have a problem?

 

[Van]

Why do you always repeat yourself? Do you have a problem?

Why do your posts address the poster and not the postion?
Clue - this is a post that makes two statements about adding words to the text.
Now where do folks get the words they add to the text? Do the words alter the message? Then out of their presumptions. Does the word simply clarify the message. Then out of God's truth.

 

[Reformed1689]

Why do your posts address the poster and not the postion?
Clue - this is a post that makes two statements about adding words to the text.
Now where do folks get the words they add to the text? Do the words alter the message? Then out of their presumptions. Does the word simply clarify the message. Then out of God's truth.

Yes, the word "yet" actuall does alter the message.

 

[Van]

Yes, the word "yet" actually does alter the message.

You can shout black is actually white till the cows come home, it will not alter the truth.

 

[Reformed1689]

You can shout black is actually white till the cows come home, it will not alter the truth.

You put the word yet in there, yet you do not actually show your support for inserting it in there other than your theological ideology.

 

[Yeshua1]

You have no clue as to what scripture teaches, such as Calvinism is bogus.

Guess Jesus and Paul had bogus theology then!

 

[Van]

Guess Jesus and Paul had bogus theology then!

Since when did Jesus and Paul push your bogus doctrine? Never!

 

[Yeshua1]

Since when did Jesus and Paul push your bogus doctrine? Never!

Romans and Gospel of John?

 

[Van]

Did not God choose those poor according to mankind, yet rich in faith and heirs to the kingdom promised to those who love God. Obviously James 2:5 teaches conditional election unless altered by inserting "to be."

 

[Yeshua1]

Did not God choose those poor according to mankind, yet rich in faith and heirs to the kingdom promised to those who love God. Obviously James 2:5 teaches conditional election unless altered by inserting "to be."

God chose us as His own based upon his love and will, period, not based upon us having faith , loving God etc!