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How Strongly Do You Hold to Your Doctrinal Beliefs?

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Yeshua1

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Van said:
Anyone can post generalities, such as the entire bible supports my view and precludes yours. But the practice simply wastes words, and provides no edification.
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Romans 8,9 and 11, Gospel of John 1-:13 for specifics!
 
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Van

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Yeshua1 said:
God chose us as His own based upon his love and will, period, not based upon us having faith , loving God etc!
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Yet another denial of James 2:5! And a denial that if God credits our faith as righteousness, He puts us in Christ.
 
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Yeshua1

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Van said:
All those references support my view and preclude your view.
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Really? John said that our salvation was based ONLY upon the will of God, not of man, and Paul supported the concept of election based upon will of God, nor our faith!
 
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Yeshua1

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Van said:
Yet another denial of James 2:5! And a denial that if God credits our faith as righteousness, He puts us in Christ.
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Jesus is the righteous One, and we place faith in Him, and that is God reckoning to us the merits of His work done on the Cross for our behalf! Even that faith is a gift from God to us!
 
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Van

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Yeshua1 said:
Really? John said that our salvation was based ONLY upon the will of God, not of man, and Paul supported the concept of election based upon will of God, nor our faith!
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God's will is to choose those whose faith He credits as righteousness.
 
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Van

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Yeshua1 said:
Jesus is the righteous One, and we place faith in Him, and that is God reckoning to us the merits of His work done on the Cross for our behalf! Even that faith is a gift from God to us!
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Utter nonsense Read Romans 4:4-5, and Romans 4:23-24.
 
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Van said:
Anyone can say God's word does not mean what it says, and add words to make it say what man-made doctrine claims. Of course the concern would be they might believe in themselves, rather than in God's word.
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You mean like adding the word "yet"?
 
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Prior to hearing the gospel:

1 Now there was a certain man in Caesarea, Cornelius by name, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,
2 a devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, who gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God always. Acts 10

Somehow Cornelius just doesn't fit into that totally depraved dead alien sinner category all the way up to a nanosecond before hearing the gospel. Neither does Abraham prior to Genesis 15:6 and many other examples we're given.



Apart from hearing the gospel:

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother`s womb.
44 For behold, when the voice of thy salutation came into mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. Lu 1

John the Baptist exemplifies Christ's revelation of John 3:

7 `Thou mayest not wonder that I said to thee, It behoveth you to be born from above;
8 the Spirit where he willeth doth blow, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit.` Jn 3

'The Spirit where he willeth doth blow ' apart from the hearing of the gospel.



I'm a big time hyper-Monergist. Paul's crisis on the road to Damascus was conversion, not regeneration. Think about these words:

4 and he fell upon the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: Acts 9

...and remember Christ's words:

2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the hour cometh, that whosoever killeth you shall think that he offereth service unto God. Jn 16
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Before Peter told Cornelius and family about Christ, God gave to Peter a vision, in the vision were these unclean animals That God told Peter he could eat, Peter kept saying no, but God was saying like this,

Peter’s Vision
9 The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about [e]the sixth hour. 10 Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance 11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”
14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”
15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call common.” 16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.

God was signifying to Peter that these people will believe the message as God had cleansed them, they have been regenerated, made clean by the Word spiritually on their inside born of God as newborn babes and are ready to receive the things of God. Refer to Luke 10:21-22

You must be born again first, then you can enter the kingdom of God. After we believe we are sealed by the Holy Spirit uno the Day of redemption of the purchased possession. The sealing comes after we believe, but the being born again is what God does first.
 
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Van

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Yeshua1 said:
What credits a lost sinner in the sight of God is the work and person of Jesus on their behalf, period!
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Just read Romans 4:4-5 and see if God credited Abraham's faith as righteousness. Just read it, there folks simply deny scripture.
 
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Van said:
Just read Romans 4:4-5 and see if God credited Abraham's faith as righteousness. Just read it, there folks simply deny scripture.
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Nobody is questioning that God credited faith as righteousness. But where did that faith come from?
 
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