How the 5 points of Calvinism don’t line up.

[1689Dave]

Dave, I have no idea why you are addressing this to me. Here is my testimony in a single sentence ...

An atheist gang member was getting ready to do a Timothy McVeigh when God made him an offer that he could not refuse, so he traded his old life to become a Deuteronomy 15:16-17 servant of God.

Does that sound like I "demand works are the means of salvation"?

Possibly I misdirected it. Sorry.

 

[1689Dave]

God Can Make the Rocks Cry Out.

God has One Savior and One Means by which He Saves souls.

Opening the heart of a baby is no more of an accomplishment, than God OPENING MY DEAD, DECEIVED, UNDECERNING, WICKED HEART.

He Already Did.

John the Baptist leaped in his mother's womb when he heard of Jesus' Birth.

The unsaved Do Not Leap for hearing about Jesus.

40 where she entered the home of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth.

41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.

42 In a loud voice, she exclaimed, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!…
Berean Study Bible ·

And this removes the gospel as the means of salvation and places it in the blood of Christ.

 

[1689Dave]

The grace of God

Of course, it does. But what are the means?

 

[Yeshua1]

Of course, it does. But what are the means?

Grace alone thru faith alone!

 

[1689Dave]

Grace alone thru faith alone!

No atonement No salvation follows.

 

[Yeshua1]

No atonement No salvation follows.

Were lost sinners atoned for before the resurrection event?

 

[Mikey]

No atonement No salvation follows.

i don't understand why you want to seperate the atonement from grace and faith?

 

[Yeshua1]

i don't understand why you want to seperate the atonement from grace and faith?

Think he wants us to be eternally already saved!

 

[Alan Gross]

And this removes the gospel as the means of salvation and places it in the blood of Christ.

On the contrary, the babies' hearing and understanding are Opened, by God, TO HEAR THE GOSPEL MESSAGE and Comprehend.

The Gospel is 'the means' that God Just Happens to Use.

 

[Alan Gross]

Think he wants us to be eternally already saved!

with an Eternally Suffering lamb, too?

 

[Mikey]

Think he wants us to be eternally already saved!

Thats unfortunate, for we are saved in time.

 

[Salty]

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