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You're talking about "one baptism", by water, in one paragraph and standing by Holy Spirit baptism", in the second (from your previous writings you are standing by.)

Thus, this is off.

If you are not Called to have a Bible understanding of "baptisms", etc., so be it.

I can't win that battle. Forget it.

 

It’s merely logic. God has the capacity and the desire to save all then all would be saved. Without God, the creature could never achieve salvation. Therefore you’d be insane not to want it.

 

Well by Adam all were made sin but by Yeshua all have been redeemed. The lost cannot be condemned for rejecting a propitiation that was not applicable for them can they.

 

Yet Judas did not want it. Yes the Calvinist argues logically but we cannot stand by what is logical rather we must stand in what scripture says.

 

But this doesn’t get to the meaning of propitiation.

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That one was a little more subtle ... the “washing of regeneration” preceded the “renewing of the Holy Spirit”.

• “washing of regeneration” = baptism
  
• “renewing of the Holy Spirit” = Holy Spirit
  
• Baptism preceded Holy Spirit

 

It seems presumptuous when I quote scripture that states people were first baptized and afterwards received the Holy Spirit, for you to then claim that I do not have a “Bible understanding” of baptisms because I do not believe that people receive the Holy Spirit before Baptism.

I agree that nothing edifying can come from continuing this discussion.

 

Propitiation is in the context of man’s debt, a gift with believing as the prerequisite of obtaining the gift thus the propitiation was made for all of humanity but only applied on those who accept it.

 

OK, Matthew 1:21 tells us, "he shall save his people from their sins." If all men are His people, all men are saved. We know this is not true for Scripture teaches otherwise (Jude 11,13; Revelation 20:14-15). Hell shall be occupied. The Scriptures teach unmistakably that Christ died only for God's elect which are His sheep, His children, those whom He foreknew (Romans 8:29,30).

 

I guess he only died for Israel. That’s who the his people are in that context.

 

Well that’s not true. I happen to derive great joy from the arguments made by for and against one another. Because evidently none of us are very spiritual people anyways.

 

If the atonement saves and the atonement is universal, what conclusion should we come to?

 

Nope.

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Delicious

 

Indeed nope. If Sai's assertion were correct, then humans would be saved by their own efforts and wise choices.

 

You don’t understand election

 

It’s only 11pm here for crying out loud