"How to avoid Israeli brutality"

[HankD]

The source of a great deal of violence in the world is due to the followers of the Crescent Moon religion.

Their progenitor: Ishmael

Genesis 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

IMO This global world conflict is evidence that Israel (Jacob) and Ishmael are a fulfillment of Genesis 16:12.
They will both exist until the end of time.

 

[ChrisTheSaved]

You can't maintain a coherent line of thought. Get this in your head please. Jesus is the only way to salvation. That has nothing to do with the Abrahamic land promise.

Has nothing to do with the Jews being in the land

Yep ok.

The point is that they have been replaced clearly. They are not the owners of the land any longer, without American intervention they would not exist.

Secondly, say that it was still their land physically...they're all still going to hell. Does that sound like God's chosen people? Well they are not, Jesus was their replacement.

Matthew 21:19

“And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.”

The Old Covenant: Revoked or Not Revoked?


We are now the Jews..

Romans 2:29

“But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”



Some bonus verses for you to enjoy .....

Revelation 2:9

“I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”

Revelation 3:9

“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”

 

[FollowTheWay]

Cut off for a time and restored. It happened quite a few times in various fashion in the scripture. It still does not nullify the everladting promise to Abraham.

Scripture please. Chapter and verse.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It is replacement theology and is entirely Biblical. The first covenant with the Jews was under the Law. The second covenant with all is under Grace. Did you not understand what Paul said in Romans about being under the Law versus under Grace? We are no longer under the law. The "we" refers to all people not just Gentiles but also including Jews. We are now under Grace. You cite Genesis. God replaced that covenant with a new and much better one that is everlasting.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 21:42 - King James Version

 

[FollowTheWay]

I would call Malachi the Jews last chance. Here's what it says about God's relationship to them:

[Mal 1:1, 11-14 KJV] 1 The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi. ...

[Mal 1:10-14 KJV] 10 Who [is there] even among you that would shut the doors [for nought]? neither do ye kindle [fire] on mine altar for nought. I have no pleasure in you, saith the LORD of hosts, neither will I accept an offering at your hand.

11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

12 But ye have profaned it, in that ye say, The table of the LORD [is] polluted; and the fruit thereof, [even] his meat, [is] contemptible.

13 Ye said also, Behold, what a weariness [is it]! and ye have snuffed at it, saith the LORD of hosts; and ye brought [that which was] torn, and the lame, and the sick; thus ye brought an offering: should I accept this of your hand? saith the LORD.

14 But cursed [be] the deceiver, which hath in his flock a male, and voweth, and sacrificeth unto the Lord a corrupt thing: for I [am] a great King, saith the LORD of hosts, and my name [is] dreadful among the heathen.

 

[Matt Black]

OK. It's tough getting answers from you, isn't it?

Only if you don't read my answer in the first place. For your benefit though I will repeat it: I am not a British Israelite heretic.

Are you a 'Christian' Zionist heretic?

 

[Matt Black]

It's not the Israeli police people need to be afraid of, it's those practitioners of the "religion of peace".

Ah. You mean Christianity then! Because we Christians have demonstrated thatbwe are truly THE religion of peace through such edifying episodes as the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Reconquista, the Thirty Years War, the Slave Trade, the 'strange fruit' of Segregation, apartheid in South Africa, the Troubles in Northern Ireland, Dylan Roof and associated white supremacists in the US, etc

 

[FollowTheWay]

The "Christian Right" in America is using the issue of Israel's "right to occupy their land" and the abortion issue to:
1. justify wars of aggression,
2. spread the myth that America is a "Christian nation,"
3. tear down our already desperately inadequate healthcare system,
4. refuse food and shelter to the needy,
5.proliferate military weapons in the hands of everyone (except blacks and Hispanics),
6. eject deserving immigrants,
7. elect a man with the worst morality and total disregard for anyone other than himself and call him "God's choice,"
8. pass judgement on all Democrats as bound for Hell, and
9. show hate towards their neighbors especially anyone who disputes their God-given right to do all of the above.

They preach a false gospel of politics/religion and justify their acts by saying that after repeating the sinner's prayer anything goes in their lives. They are driving young seekers away from Christ's Church to atheism or new-age mysticism.

But the truly GOOD NEWS is that Jesus still stands there with arms outstretched to welcome any and all prodigal sons home to a sincere relationship with Him now and for all of eternity. If we abide in Him, He will abide in us.

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

 

[FollowTheWay]

The "Christian Right" in America is using the issue of Israel's "right to occupy their land" and the abortion issue to:
1. justify wars of aggression,
2. spread the myth that America is a "Christian nation,"
3. tear down our already desperately inadequate healthcare system,
4. refuse food and shelter to the needy,
5.proliferate military weapons in the hands of everyone (except blacks and Hispanics),
6. eject deserving immigrants,
7. elect a man with the worst morality and total disregard for anyone other than himself and call him "God's choice,"
8. pass judgement on all Democrats as bound for Hell, and
9. show hate towards their neighbors especially anyone who disputes their God-given right to do all of the above.

They preach a false gospel of politics/religion and justify their acts by saying that after repeating the sinner's prayer anything goes in their lives. They are driving young seekers away from Christ's Church to atheism or new-age mysticism.

But the truly GOOD NEWS is that Jesus still stands there with arms outstretched to welcome any and all prodigal sons home to a sincere relationship with Him now and for all of eternity. If we abide in Him, He will abide in us.

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

In short, the Christian Right is NEITHER.

 

[SheepWhisperer]

The "Christian Right" in America is using the issue of Israel's "right to occupy their land" and the abortion issue to:
1. justify wars of aggression,
2. spread the myth that America is a "Christian nation,"
3. tear down our already desperately inadequate healthcare system,
4. refuse food and shelter to the needy,
5.proliferate military weapons in the hands of everyone (except blacks and Hispanics),
6. eject deserving immigrants,
7. elect a man with the worst morality and total disregard for anyone other than himself and call him "God's choice,"
8. pass judgement on all Democrats as bound for Hell, and
9. show hate towards their neighbors especially anyone who disputes their God-given right to do all of the above.

They preach a false gospel of politics/religion and justify their acts by saying that after repeating the sinner's prayer anything goes in their lives. They are driving young seekers away from Christ's Church to atheism or new-age mysticism.

But the truly GOOD NEWS is that Jesus still stands there with arms outstretched to welcome any and all prodigal sons home to a sincere relationship with Him now and for all of eternity. If we abide in Him, He will abide in us.

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

The only true statement in your whole diatribe.

 

[church mouse guy]

Only if you don't read my answer in the first place. For your benefit though I will repeat it: I am not a British Israelite heretic.

Are you a 'Christian' Zionist heretic?

What is that? Matt, you didn't answer when I asked twice. I figure that you are a lot busier than I am.

 

[Matt Black]

I answered the first time. You didn't read my answer.

 

[church mouse guy]

I answered the first time. You didn't read my answer.

Then it was human error.

 

[ChrisTheSaved]

Only if you don't read my answer in the first place. For your benefit though I will repeat it: I am not a British Israelite heretic.

Are you a 'Christian' Zionist heretic?

Ah. You mean Christianity then! Because we Christians have demonstrated thatbwe are truly THE religion of peace through such edifying episodes as the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Reconquista, the Thirty Years War, the Slave Trade, the 'strange fruit' of Segregation, apartheid in South Africa, the Troubles in Northern Ireland, Dylan Roof and associated white supremacists in the US, etc

The "Christian Right" in America is using the issue of Israel's "right to occupy their land" and the abortion issue to:
1. justify wars of aggression,
2. spread the myth that America is a "Christian nation,"
3. tear down our already desperately inadequate healthcare system,
4. refuse food and shelter to the needy,
5.proliferate military weapons in the hands of everyone (except blacks and Hispanics),
6. eject deserving immigrants,
7. elect a man with the worst morality and total disregard for anyone other than himself and call him "God's choice,"
8. pass judgement on all Democrats as bound for Hell, and
9. show hate towards their neighbors especially anyone who disputes their God-given right to do all of the above.

They preach a false gospel of politics/religion and justify their acts by saying that after repeating the sinner's prayer anything goes in their lives. They are driving young seekers away from Christ's Church to atheism or new-age mysticism.

But the truly GOOD NEWS is that Jesus still stands there with arms outstretched to welcome any and all prodigal sons home to a sincere relationship with Him now and for all of eternity. If we abide in Him, He will abide in us.

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

In short, the Christian Right is NEITHER.

What's funny is I am far to the right and I agree that they have been put away. It's not a political issue, Steven Anderson teaches this very same doctrine.

 

[church mouse guy]

Believe you me I have read it many times. And "I do not believe it means what you think it means."

What do you think that it means?

 

[Adonia]

Ah. You mean Christianity then! Because we Christians have demonstrated thatbwe are truly THE religion of peace through such edifying episodes as the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Reconquista, the Thirty Years War, the Slave Trade, the 'strange fruit' of Segregation, apartheid in South Africa, the Troubles in Northern Ireland, Dylan Roof and associated white supremacists in the US, etc

I mean now. It is an extreme minority of Christians that want to kill others these days, but for the Muslims it's practically all of them. A poll done a short while ago revealed that most Muslim's have no problems with the extreme elements of their faith such as Sharia law.

 

[Matt Black]

A desire to live sharia is not the same as wanting to kill everyone. Sharia has far more to do with regulating relations within the Muslim community rather than between Muslims and non Muslims in practice. But you're right about them being 'behind the curve' compared to Christians on the religious violence thing: they need a Reformation and Enlightenment to make that die away. They are however 600 years younger than Christianity as a religion so they will catch up in time. I guess it demonstrates the dangers of fundamentalism of all stripes.

 

[Matt Black]

What do you think that it means?

At the risk of sounding like a Red Letter Christian, I think it has to be read through the lens of Jesus' words on the topic in the Gospels, to which I referred earlier. Paul is writing prior to the destruction of the Second Temple whereas pretty much everyone agrees that the Gospels were written after that destruction. Therefore Paul cannot be talking about the Jews returning to the land (since they were still there) whereas the Gospel writers, in choosing to quote those words of Jesus contra the Jews, clearly had in mind the post-70AD calamity, and there is no hint in those words of a second chance (to return): this time there shall be no 70 years, no Cyrus to bring them back; they have screwed up finally this time - by rejecting God's own Son. Therefore Paul's words have to be seen as a desire, a fervent prayer on his part, for his rave to be saved by turning to Christ, indeed they can be read as a prophecy that they will. But that has nothing to do with where they physically live now.

 

[church mouse guy]

So are you a preterist?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

So are you a preterist?

What has that have to do with the subject at hand?