How to Spot a Demonic Presence

[Van]

@Van You.... are going to either run into a demonized person one day and be unprepared to repel it... or... become influenced by demons (unless you are already so), and do more to hinder the Gospel, which is our utlimate mission to the nations to give out.... (maybe either one or both of those things must happen before you realize the Truth, IDK, only God knows)

This is like pulling teeth, the more we pull and try to convince you of TRUE demonic activity in TODAY'S TIME, the more noise you make.

1) Note "demon possession" has been "repackaged" into "demonized person."
2) Note "we need special extra biblical knowledge" to "repel" demonized people. Really
3) Note the effort to include the gospel as part of focusing on demon possession. Really
4) Note the claim to focus on demonolgy is said to be Truth. Really

 

[Calminian]

Just bring out to her what scriptures say about those things!

I don't think he understands the case for cessationism. It is, in fact, a Scriptural/historical case.

Tom Pennington makes a strange case here.

It's very simple. Not only do we not see Pentecost-type gifts today, charismatic churches are not even claiming the same types of gifts. The Pentecost gifts were truly amazing, resurrections, deformed limbs stretching out, blindness ending, etc. and all through gifted men. These have been replaced with cheap counterfeits, slaying in the spirit, holy laughter, unintelligible babbling. I'm totally open to an authentic gift, but at this point in history, nothing is even being claimed.

Demon tricks (lying signs and wonders), OTOH, were never that impressive. Scary, but not impressive. They never served the same purpose as God's gifts. The demonic we see in Scripture, we see today. There is no historical/scriptural case against it.

In fact, the denial is similar to the denial of the Genesis account. It's based on modern naturalistic philosophies.

 

[Van]

Okay, But you believe all that, so how can you not believe Satan uses his demons to tempt, deceive, manipulate and control non-believers and believers alike now?

Please provide a quote where I said or suggested any such thing. You can misrepresent my view till the cows come home, but it will not alter the truth.
1) Can we be tempted without being "demon-possessed?" Yes
2) Can we be deceived without being "demon-possessed?" Yes
3) Can we be side tracked into unfruitful ministry without being "demon-possessed?" Yes

 

[Calminian]

Y1 makes up stuff and posts it, but almost never presents Traditional Baptist viewpoints.

Y is a very thoughtful poster. You should listen to him.

 

[Calminian]

Please provide a quote where I said or suggested any such thing. You can misrepresent my view till the cows come home, but it will not alter the truth.
1) Can we be tempted without being "demon-possessed?" Yes
2) Can we be deceived without being "demon-possessed?" Yes
3) Can we be side tracked into unfruitful ministry without being "demon-possessed?" Yes

Please quote where someone here denied these 3 points.

 

[Van]

Y is a very thoughtful poster. You should listen to him.

Utter nonsense Y1 misrepresents the views of others.

 

[Miss E]

1) Note "demon possession" has been "repackaged" into "demonized person."
2) Note "we need special extra biblical knowledge" to "repel" demonized people. Really
3) Note the effort to include the gospel as part of focusing on demon possession. Really
4) Note the claim to focus on demonolgy is said to be Truth. Really

Okay. You are wrongly misreading my posts once again. Let's break it down.

1.) Demonized and Demon Possession are the same thing. I just think demonized sounds less harsh and intimidating.
2.) WHERE did I say you NEEDED extra knowledge? Did I say that? No. Faith in Jesus and resisting the devil, rebuking in the name of Jesus is good as bug repelant to a believer so No. You can be perfectly ignorant to this 'extra knowledge' (but it IS good to know that God wants us to know who our True enemy is- Satan and his demons- and how to be prepared for them by putting on the WHOLE armor of God). I'm just trying to warn you brother and everyone who happens upon this thread. I hope it comes up in google searches for people who are suffering from demonic attacks or know someone who is possessed (there I said it in that way, happy? )
3.) OK? What is your point? I'm emphasizing the Gospel which ALL BELIEVERS should do, all the time, in anything we discuss, whether it's theology, salvation or demons. How is that a bad thing? Hum?
4.) It's not a focus, it's a preparation. It's an awareness. Ever heard of the saying 'know thy enemy?' well here it is. A whole guide for you to KNOW who/what we are dealing with in real life. You can use it... you can throw it out. But my hands are clean of you if you find yourself under attack and confusion in the midst of a demonic presence attempting to harm, hinder or deceive you.

 

[Van]

Please quote where someone here denied these 3 points.

My posted included the quote. Please address that quote.

 

[Calminian]

Utter nonsense Y1 misrepresents the views of others.

You could learn a lot from him, and Steven and the others.

 

[Miss E]

Please provide a quote where I said or suggested any such thing. You can misrepresent my view till the cows come home, but it will not alter the truth.
1) Can we be tempted without being "demon-possessed?" Yes
2) Can we be deceived without being "demon-possessed?" Yes
3) Can we be side tracked into unfruitful ministry without being "demon-possessed?" Yes

I can agree with you there! There are TWO possible forms of demonic attack. One. Demonized (possession essentially if you want), and demonic influence. Do I believe that christians and unbelievers can have all three of those things down to them WITHOUT demon possession? Yes, but it IS due to demonic influence. As Satan was there to tempt Eve, so is satan (or one of his fallen) there to tempt us to sin.

I believe that wholeheartedly. But man makes the conscious choice to sin. That is still on us.

 

[Van]

Okay. You are wrongly misreading my posts once again. Let's break it down.

1.) Demonized and Demon Possession are the same thing. I just think demonized sounds less harsh and intimidating.
2.) WHERE did I say you NEEDED extra knowledge? Did I say that? No. Faith in Jesus and resisting the devil, rebuking in the name of Jesus is good as bug repelant to a beleiver so No. You can be perfectly ignorant to this 'extra knowledge' (but it IS good to know that God wants us to know who our True enemy is- Satan and his demons- and how to be prepared for them by putting on the WHOLE armor of God). I'm just trying to warn you brother and everyone who happens upon this thread. I hope it comes up in google searches for people who are suffering from demonic attacks or know someone who is possessed (there I said it in that way, happy? )
3.) OK? What is your point? I'm emphasizing the Gospel which ALL BELIEVERS should do, all the time, in anything we discuss, whether it's theology, salvation or demons. How is that a bad thing? Hum?
4.) It's not a focus, it's a preparation. It's an awareness. Ever heard of the saying 'know they enemy?' well here it is. A whole guide for you to KNOW who/what we are dealing with in real life. You can use it... you can throw it out. But my hands are clean of you if you find yourself under attack and confusion in the midst of a demonic presence attempting to harm, hinder or deceive you.

1) Scripture refers to "demon-possession" but not to "demonized people."

Demons abound at the time of Christ, but what have we in scripture to support the idea that possession is still occurring? What if possession went away with the Sign and Wonder miracles because the NT had been both given and authenticated?

 

[Yeshua1]

Did anyone say Satan is not alive and well? Nope.
Did anyone say Satan does not want to deceive us? Nope
Did anyone say Satan wants us to focus of demons rather than Christ? Go figure

The Lord Himself wants us to be mindful of Satan and his ways though!

 

[Van]

The Lord Himself wants us to be mindful of Satan and his ways though!

Scripture please.

2Corinthians 11:3
But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.

Here we are to focus on our devotion to Christ which protects us from the deception of Satan.

 

[Miss E]

1) Scripture refers to "demon-possession" but not to "demonized people."

Demons abound at the time of Christ, but what have we in scripture to support the idea that possession is still occurring? What if possession went away with the Sign and Wonder miracles because the NT had been both given and authenticated?

Just because you repeat something you said before makes it any more true than you thought it was when you originally posted it.

And OK, that is irrelevant. I meant it as the SAME THING. DEMONIZED = DEMON POSSESSION. Do you want me to be politically correct or NOT?

 

[Yeshua1]

I can agree with you there! There are TWO possible forms of demonic attack. One. Demonized (possession essentially if you want), and demonic influence. Do I believe that christians and unbelievers can have all three of those things down to them WITHOUT demon possession? Yes, but it IS due to demonic influence. As Satan was there to tempt Eve, so is satan (or one of his fallen) there to tempt us to sin.

I believe that wholeheartedly. But man makes the conscious choice to sin. That is still on us.

The good news is that satan and his flunkies can do NOTHING to us if we are in Christ, and yielded to the Holy Spirit and walking in obedience to the ways of God outlined in the scriptures...

Now if a Christian decides to walk outside that protection and boundaries....

 

[Yeshua1]

1) Scripture refers to "demon-possession" but not to "demonized people."

Demons abound at the time of Christ, but what have we in scripture to support the idea that possession is still occurring? What if possession went away with the Sign and Wonder miracles because the NT had been both given and authenticated?

Perhaps the problem is that some are into possession by Him, but we now label it all under mental illnesses and alcohol and drug abuses?

 

[Miss E]

Scripture please.

How about 10 verses?

• Ephesians 6:10-11

"Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes."

• 2 Thessalonians 3:3

"But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen you and protect you from the evil one."

• 2 Corinthians 10:4-5

"The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ."

• 1 Peter 5:8-9

"Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings."

• James 4:7

"Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

• Romans 8:37-39

"No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[a] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

• John 10:10

"The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full."

• Colossians 1:13-14

"For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins."

• John 16:33

"I [Jesus] have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”

• 1 Corinthians 10:13

"No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it."

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[Miss E]

Perhaps the problem is that some are into possession by Him, but we now label it all under mental illnesses and alcohol and drug abuses?

EXACTLY!

I am by NO means saying EVERY CASE OF MENTAL HEALTH is a demonized person or possession or HOWEVER YOU WANT TO COLOR IT @Van

But A MAJORITY OF THEM ARE EITHER PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING INFLUENCED BY DEMONS OR POSSESSED BY DEMONS. Psychopaths are a PRIME example of a DEMON-LED PERSON.

 

[Yeshua1]

1) Note "demon possession" has been "repackaged" into "demonized person."
2) Note "we need special extra biblical knowledge" to "repel" demonized people. Really
3) Note the effort to include the gospel as part of focusing on demon possession. Really
4) Note the claim to focus on demonolgy is said to be Truth. Really

Don't we deal indirectly with them every time encounter false and aberrant teachings and doctrines?

 

[Miss E]

The good news is that satan and his flunkies can do NOTHING to us if we are in Christ, and yielded to the Holy Spirit and walking in obedience to the ways of God outlined in the scriptures...

Now if a Christian decides to walk outside that protection and boundaries....

Do you think a Christian can be possessed? I don't remember if you answered that one or not Yeshua.