How to Spot a Demonic Presence

[Van]

I think your position has been pretty clear. You're claiming the ceasing of gifts at the close of the cannon includes the ceasing of possession, and are requiring proof otherwise. But you've not even provided evidence of anything ceasing at the close of the cannon, let alone demon possession. You've not provided a single verse that even makes this claim.

I have presented the Traditional Baptist view, and supported it with references to scripture. Your view lacks significant support from scripture.

 

[Van]

@Van you are a hopeless case who is wise in his own eyes

People who demean others within the body of Christ are factious, and hinder unity. Although "my way or the highway" folks seem to lack humility, they project their fault upon others. The good news is scripture teaches some of these "come to their senses."

 

[Van]

false teachers and false prophets and false apostles do what? Teach "doctrines of demons"

If you say so. I did not.

 

[Calminian]

I have presented the Traditional Baptist view, and supported it with references to scripture. Your view lacks significant support from scripture.

I think most Baptists would be appalled by some of the things you've presented.

 

[Van]

Supernatural activity really ramped up at time of Jesus, why not before time of His second coming? As this nation seems to be really into occultic practices, astrology, ghosts shows etc!

Why not accept that scripture teaches supernatural activity occurs during end times. After all, that is what I said.

 

[Van]

I think most Baptists would be appalled by some of the things you've presented.

Yep,
1) The bible alone is our final authority for faith and practice. Additions by way of speculation are unsound.
2) God puts His chosen ones into Christ, no one puts himself into Christ.
3) Christ died for all mankind, and thus salvation for all who believe is the good news.
4) Humanity has three enemies, Satan, the World, and Fleshly desire.
5) Test what people claim with scripture, keep the good and throw out the bad.
6) Cessessionalism.
7) For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

 

[Calminian]

Yep,
1) The bible alone is our final authority for faith and practice. Additions by way of speculation are unsound.
2) God puts His chosen ones into Christ, no one puts himself into Christ.
3) Christ died for all mankind, and thus salvation for all who believe is the good news.
4) Humanity has three enemies, Satan, the World, and Fleshly desire.
5) Test what people claim with scripture, keep the good and throw out the bad.
6) Cessessionalism.

Hmmm. You left out the part about demon activity ceasing. This is your view. Don't blame Baptists.

And they would be appalled at the clumsy way you argue cessation (they don't use the term cessessionalism--you made that up). Van, if I were you, i'd stop arguing and start listening.

 

[Van]

Hmmm. You left out the part about demon activity ceasing.

And they would be appalled at the clumsy way you argue cessation (they don't use the term cessessionalism--you made that up). Van, if I were you, i'd stop arguing and start listening.

Gee that would be good news. One thing for sure, if my view is correct, wasting time on the effort to sidetrack ministry, would be less than helpful. Even perhaps demonic.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Gee that would be good news. One thing for sure, if my view is correct, wasting time on the effort to sidetrack ministry, would be less than helpful. Even perhaps demonic.

You are arguing against scripture and church history if your position is demonic activity ended with the creation of the canon of scripture. If I mischaracterized your position please let me know. Otherwise, you are adding to the scriptures, something as bad as cutting out parts and burning them.

Cessationism would be an addition if not for overwhelming evidence in church history to support it.

 

[Van]

You are arguing against scripture and church history if your position is demonic activity ended with the creation of the canon of scripture. If I mischaracterized your position please let me know. Otherwise, you are adding to the scriptures, something as bad as cutting out parts and burning them.

Cessationism would be an addition if not for overwhelming evidence in church history to support it.

Did I say or suggest demonic activity had ceased! Did I. Did I. I am tired of falsehoods, misrepresentations and efforts to hinder Christ. I try not to add to scripture, but you see fit to add to my biblically based words, with unbiblical additions. Why.

Cessationism is not an addition to scripture. The foundation has been laid, so authenticating miracles are no longer needed. Now we have teachers and evangelists. We are not to look for sign and wonder miracles. Matthew 12:39

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Did I say or suggest demonic activity had ceased! Did I. Did I. I am tired of falsehoods, misrepresentations and efforts to hinder Christ. I try not to add to scripture, but you see fit to add to my biblically based words, with unbiblical additions. Why.

Cessationism is not an addition to scripture. The foundation has been laid, so authenticating miracles are no longer needed. Now we have teachers and evangelists. We are not to look for sign and wonder miracles. Matthew 12:39

If I mischaracterized your position, again, please explain how I got it wrong.

 

[Yeshua1]

The sad reality though is that I once joined her on some of her outings to ghost hunt. I was foolish and young in my naive beliefs in what those spirits actually was. But I don't know how to tell her to be careful now since I once approved of it myself.

Just bring out to her what scriptures say about those things!

 

[Yeshua1]

Ron Rhodes wrote a great book:
The Truth Behind Ghosts, Mediums, and Psychic Phenomena

He is hands down my favorite end-times author, but he's also a great apologist, and very good on this subject. I think you'll find it a blessing.

All these shows on TV, both documentary and fiction, are part of an actual comprehensive religious belief system. From Poltergeist to Sixth Sense to Ghost Whisperer, to Ghost Hunters, etc., the belief system is very consistent. Medium and psychic consultants are involved in all these projects from start to finish. I believe it's the religion of our day.

Satan is smart. as He will bring those things in under guise of harmless entertainment!

 

[Yeshua1]

Did I say or suggest demonic activity had ceased! Did I. Did I. I am tired of falsehoods, misrepresentations and efforts to hinder Christ. I try not to add to scripture, but you see fit to add to my biblically based words, with unbiblical additions. Why.

Cessationism is not an addition to scripture. The foundation has been laid, so authenticating miracles are no longer needed. Now we have teachers and evangelists. We are not to look for sign and wonder miracles. Matthew 12:39

satan is alive and well today on planet earth, as he wants us to either ignore him, or to get where we see demons everywhere!

 

[Yeshua1]

I have presented the Traditional Baptist view, and supported it with references to scripture. Your view lacks significant support from scripture.

Traditional baptist viewpoint is that demons and demonic theology is still out there, but repackaged under different labels, from astrology, seances, Ghosts, to word of faith inside the church!

 

[Miss E]

@Van You.... are going to either run into a demonized person one day and be unprepared to repel it... or... become influenced by demons (unless you are already so), and do more to hinder the Gospel, which is our utlimate mission to the nations to give out.... (maybe either one or both of those things must happen before you realize the Truth, IDK, only God knows)

This is like pulling teeth, the more we pull and try to convince you of TRUE demonic activity in TODAY'S TIME, the more noise you make.

 

[Van]

If I mischaracterized your position, again, please explain how I got it wrong.

If? If? You misrepresented my view on purpose. Did you explain why you changed the end of the need to authenticate the NT providers, with the claim demonic activity ceased? Nope. Did you provide a quote? Nope. Sir you are not helping to present truth.

 

[Van]

satan is alive and well today on planet earth, as he wants us to either ignore him, or to get where we see demons everywhere!

Did anyone say Satan is not alive and well? Nope.
Did anyone say Satan does not want to deceive us? Nope
Did anyone say Satan wants us to focus of demons rather than Christ? Go figure

 

[Van]

Traditional baptist viewpoint is that demons and demonic theology is still out there, but repackaged under different labels, from astrology, seances, Ghosts, to word of faith inside the church!

Y1 makes up stuff and posts it, but almost never presents Traditional Baptist viewpoints.

 

[Miss E]

Did anyone say Satan is not alive and well? Nope.
Did anyone say Satan does not want to deceive us? Nope
Did anyone say Satan wants us to focus of demons rather than Christ? Go figure

Okay, But you believe all that, so how can you not believe Satan uses his demons to tempt, deceive, manipulate and control non-believers and believers alike now?