How to Spot a Demonic Presence

[Yeshua1]

First, you are addressing me, and my supposed flaw, rather than the topic.
You repeat - not made a positive argument - but did not address the argument, demon-possession removal was a sign and wonder miracle used to authenticate Christ and His disciples, thus once the NT had been authenticated, the need for the authenticating miracles ended.

The next entity that scripture says will do miracles comes from the dark side.

So when people "play around: with likes of Ojibwa Board, tarot cards, witchcraft, astrology, then nothing demonic can happen to them, especially of not saved?

 

[Van]

Yeah. This claiming of victory after every post is a recurring theme. It gets in the way of the dialog.

Which I addressed. There is no passage in the NT regarding cessation of anything in the church age. The reference by Paul was to the perfect, which is referring to the return of Christ, when all will be seen clearly.

Demons don't do miracles, they do false miracles. They are mentioned all throughout the NT and in future prophesy.

You still haven't made the case they do not exist now. What is your positive case?

1) No quote was provided where I 'claimed victory." So yet another deflection using falsehood.
2) For you to claim the NT does not present the idea that the Church has been built on the foundation of the prophets and apostles, and it is not necessary to lay that foundation again is ludicrous.
3) Rather than worry about "demon possession" why not worry about "false teachers" who introduce destructive heresies
4) It is obvious "demons" will do miracles per scripture. Liberals add to scripture to make it to no effect.

 

[Miss E]

So when people "play around: with likes of Ojibwa Board, tarot cards, witchcraft, astrology, then nothing demonic can happen to them, especially of not saved?

Playing around anything that pertains to witchcraft or spirit conjuring/contacting is nothing but trying to play with demons. I know this for a fact since I once played with a Ojibwa Board and a demon was in my room for a good few weeks at night while I tried to sleep, tormenting me and giving me vivid nightmares. It felt like my sheets were levitating off the bed and it was very cold. This is the most vivid nightmare I have ever had and it came about around the time I played with this dark object.

Don't mess with spirits, trying to contact a loved one is nothing but a way for demons to attack you, for once your mind and body are open to the Evil unknown of spiritualism and the like, they can more easily possess you (if you are an unbeliever of course, but as a believer, you will more than likely be easier to influence with evil thoughts and terrors)

 

[Miss E]

1) No quote was provided where I 'claimed victory." So yet another deflection using falsehood.
2) For you to claim the NT does not present the idea that the Church has been built on the foundation of the prophets and apostles, and it is not necessary to lay that foundation again is ludicrous.
3) Rather than worry about "demon possession" why not worry about "false teachers" who introduce destructive heresies
4) It is obvious "demons" will do miracles per scripture. Liberals add to scripture to make it to no effect.

You're just a negative person all around. I already told you if you don't believe that demon possession is a real issue in today's time, then you just need to leave. No one wants to hear your opinion, is anyone liknig yoru posts? No. So you're just trying to deflect from the truth. If you don't realize that the enemy is there and is throwing attacks our way (both believers and un) then you are giving THE ENEMY (not you, not any other of us believers) more power and weakening the body to ignorance.

Don't you think, also, that false teachers could simply be people who are being influence and/or possessed by demons who head the leaders in those false religions? Such as Islam, for example. Wouldn't you think that any terrorist that commits such dehumanizing acts (like cutting off a person's head for believing in our True God and Jesus Christ) and those who throw themselves into a US military vans with a bomb strapped to his chest isn't being heavily influence or even CONTROLLED by demonic forces?

I'm NOT saying that mankind can't commit sin on their own, but the evidence is there from the beginning that when Satan tempted Eve, he, being a demon, was he not an accomplice to the sin that made mankind fall (that he was not a key element)? Satan and demons tempt us to sin, and humans have the free will to resist to sin or to give in. But there comes a point where the person will willingly give themselves over to all sin and THEN that is when the demon can take control, since that person WILLFULLY gave themselves over to their sinful nature and thus allowed a demon to enter. Is all that I speak found in scripture? Perhaps not verbatim, but nothing I speak is from my own human wisdom, it is from what I have SEEN, and READ and OBSERVED from stories of the demonized, from demonized people I have talked and interacted with and the like. I have the mind of Christ, as we all can have if we pray for it (if you are a true converted believer) and HE (not me) gives me this wisdom. Jesus said He would send us a Helper, and that helps each one of us who believe to be able to not only live as Christ lived, but to see the world as HE sees it. The Evil, the Good, that is why when I look at a person I don't just see a nameless or blank face, I either see someone in Christ, in the Devil or Lost. And the LOST are who we need to focus on IMO, while taking support from fellow brothers and sisters and Christ and keeping the demonized, those who have given themselves to the Devil (aka demon possessed) at bay, to keep them contained if we can, to cast them out if it is God's plan to do so.

I am here to WARN, as John the Baptist came to warn the people to repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand, it is the job of us who KNOW and SEE that the demonic forces are actively trying to take the souls of the lost for themselves to WARN THESE PEOPLE TO PUT THEIR FAITH IN CHRIST SO THEY WILL NOT BE TEMPTED OR CONTROLLED. and people like YOU are weakening the body of Christ and putting the lost one's lives at danger. Just like we are commanded to SHARE THE GOSPEL to all nations, we are called to put on the WHOLE ARMOR OF GOD, to resist the Devil and his minions and to be a WARRIOR FOR CHRIST. You can do this by believing that the enemy is REAL and to put on FAITH, RIGHTEOUSNESS and above all PRAY and BE WATCHFUL for the adversary is prowling around like a lion seeing whom he can devour.

If you still are blind after reading through this and the people who have given their testimonies of the Evil inside people today, these demonized, then no amount of arguing or Christian wisdom will change your mind. You have hardened your heart, and I pray God can give eyes to see the Truth.

 

[Calminian]

1) No quote was provided where I 'claimed victory." So yet another deflection using falsehood.

It's not a falsehood. "I provided my view, waiting for a response" is simply ignoring my response.

2) For you to claim the NT does not present the idea that the Church has been built on the foundation of the prophets and apostles, and it is not necessary to lay that foundation again is ludicrous.

Huh?

3) Rather than worry about "demon possession" why not worry about "false teachers" who introduce destructive heresies

You mean like the view that you can mess around with the occult and not get burned? Yes, I'm very concerned about this false teaching you're espousing.

4) It is obvious "demons" will do miracles per scripture. Liberals add to scripture to make it to no effect.

They are cheap counterfeits, is the point. They are so-called miracles.

 

[Calminian]

So when people "play around: with likes of Ojibwa Board, tarot cards, witchcraft, astrology, then nothing demonic can happen to them, especially of not saved?

Sounds like some demonic advice. I warn my kids often about the above. I hope all Christians parents will.

These warnings, BTW, are in the NT as well as the OT.

 

[Yeshua1]

It's not a falsehood. "I provided my view, waiting for a response" is simply ignoring my response.



Huh?



You mean like the view that you can mess around with the occult and not get burned? Yes, I'm very concerned about this false teaching you're espousing.



They are cheap counterfeits, is the point. They are so-called miracles.

Right before the Lord Jesus returns, seems that the occult and supernatural will be making as big comeback,!

 

[Yeshua1]

Playing around anything that pertains to witchcraft or spirit conjuring/contacting is nothing but trying to play with demons. I know this for a fact since I once played with a Ojibwa Board and a demon was in my room for a good few weeks at night while I tried to sleep, tormenting me and giving me vivid nightmares. It felt like my sheets were levitating off the bed and it was very cold. This is the most vivid nightmare I have ever had and it came about around the time I played with this dark object.

Don't mess with spirits, trying to contact a loved one is nothing but a way for demons to attack you, for once your mind and body are open to the Evil unknown of spiritualism and the like, they can more easily possess you (if you are an unbeliever of course, but as a believer, you will more than likely be easier to influence with evil thoughts and terrors)

The interesting thing is that many are involved what could be called Christian witchcrasft, as in holding to the Word of faith, who take the Occult forms of confession and faith and vizualization to create our own realities!

 

[Miss E]

The interesting thing is that many are involved what could be called Christian witchcrasft, as in holding to the Word of faith, who take the Occult forms of confession and faith and vizualization to create our own realities!

To which Christian groups are you referring to? Just curious. I'd like to be aware of them.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

To which Christian groups are you referring to? Just curious. I'd like to be aware of them.

I'm not Yeshua but stuff like Christian tarot cards abound,

Our Cards Lead The Way .. - Christalignment

 

[Calminian]

The interesting thing is that many are involved what could be called Christian witchcrasft, as in holding to the Word of faith, who take the Occult forms of confession and faith and vizualization to create our own realities!

Especially the New Apostolic Reformation.

 

[Calminian]

To which Christian groups are you referring to? Just curious. I'd like to be aware of them.

This one:

 

[Miss E]

This one:

That media doesn't work for me (i'm at work so it's blocked btw). Which one is that? I can google it.

I'm shocked yet not so shocked by that Christian tarot card thing. That's scary that people actually believe and use those things!

The Movement Calminian referred is a crafty one. I don't believe people can heal the sick, only God heals and I think prayer helps a lot in that but people don't physically put their hands on someone and heals them. I don't believe in that.

What do you guys think about the Masonic Order and the Gideons? Some people say they are cult-like with their secret words and such but I mean, IDK my dad is apart of one of those lodges and I don't think there's any issue in it, but some people condemn it.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

That media doesn't work for me (i'm at work so it's blocked btw). Which one is that? I can google it.

I'm shocked yet not so shocked by that Christian tarot card thing. That's scary that people actually believe and use those things!

The Movement Calminian referred is a crafty one. I don't believe people can heal the sick, only God heals and I think prayer helps a lot in that but people don't physically put their hands on someone and heals them. I don't believe in that.

What do you guys think about the Masonic Order and the Gideons? Some people say they are cult-like with their secret words and such but I mean, IDK my dad is apart of one of those lodges and I don't think there's any issue in it, but some people condemn it.

I would never join a Masonic order. It's a weird ritualistic organization that is rather divorced from the bible. Freemasons don't have to be Christian, usually just believe in a supreme creator. Why join a secret society with bad theology that tries to act like a church. Just spend more time at your church or helping the ministry of God.

Freemasonry - Wikipedia

 

[Calminian]

That media doesn't work for me (i'm at work so it's blocked btw). Which one is that? I can google it.

It's the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). Andrew Strom specifically focuses on the laughter and jerking manifestations claimed to be from the Holy Spirit. He believes they are same manifestation occurring in kundalini cults.

Here's a comparison.

 

[Miss E]

Weird. I'll view them when I get off.

 

[Yeshua1]

To which Christian groups are you referring to? Just curious. I'd like to be aware of them.

Word of faith would be those such as Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Hagin, and their ilk!

 

[Yeshua1]

Especially the New Apostolic Reformation.

NAR and WoF are an Unholy Alliance!

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Weird. I'll view them when I get off.

Another one is this webpage by a Lutheran minister. The video at the top is scary to watch.

Rick Joyner's Demonic Voodoo "Church" — Pirate Christian Media

 

[Yeshua1]

That media doesn't work for me (i'm at work so it's blocked btw). Which one is that? I can google it.

I'm shocked yet not so shocked by that Christian tarot card thing. That's scary that people actually believe and use those things!

The Movement Calminian referred is a crafty one. I don't believe people can heal the sick, only God heals and I think prayer helps a lot in that but people don't physically put their hands on someone and heals them. I don't believe in that.

What do you guys think about the Masonic Order and the Gideons? Some people say they are cult-like with their secret words and such but I mean, IDK my dad is apart of one of those lodges and I don't think there's any issue in it, but some people condemn it.

the NAR are just the Manifest Sons of God heresy repackaged, as they hold to modern days prophets and Apostles, and hold to the end time Church to be literally like us becoming gods on earth!