How Wicked Were the People of Noah's Day? And Why No Detail?

[I Love An Atheist]

The wise will never be taken in by want to be spiritual gurus. The wise come up against all lies, to edify the ill informed and those who misinterpret. Everyone wants to be a ruler, but not over the WORD! I would have sat quite and watch all implode,( that has happened ) but the odor of affliction was so great, arising from certain post it was time to interject. I have been mocked, and attacked and I am blessed that I could be- for no student is above the teacher. As the teach was mocked and scorned so is his household.
The taunts by some who call themselves Christian is unbelievable. No evidence against what I shared nor any sound doctrine, just taking phrases of my responses and insulting them. Yeah, real Christian. NO one here is looking to really learn but to teach from a misfit knowledge based in PRIDE!

The Way of Wisdom Proverbs 9:8-10
…8Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you, Reprove a wise man and he will love you. 9Give instruction to a wise man and he will be still wiser, Teach a righteous man and he will increase his learning. 10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.…

So, far the writing's of Enoch stand! But NOT one word from those who attack him! Why? Because the scriptures support what he said.

Preceding Generations Forgotten Ecclesiastes 1:8-10
…8All things are wearisome; Man is not able to tell it. The eye is not satisfied with seeing, Nor is the ear filled with hearing. 9That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun. 10Is there anything of which one might say, "See this, it is new "? Already it has existed for ages Which were before us.…

Enoch witnessed it , wrote about it ,history itself is against you, the test of time mocks you, for that which precedes you speaks against you, and against this present time but not scripture because it is in lock step and is the WORD!

The Scriptures do not support the book of Enoch. The book of Enoch is not in lock step with the Word. Those are lies. Those lies have already been discredited. The fact you refuse to admit it does not change it.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

Actually Jews also find claims about human-angel hybrids to be controversial and speculative. I looked it up out of curiosity.

You no what you prove yourself time and time again to be speaking for a whole group of people. It most correct to say some Jews. They too deny the word as you do, that is why you only point out what appeals to your narrative. Still no proof or hardcore evidence against the Word PERIOD! The word is clear and the scriptures do not lie, men do but not the word.

 

[I Love An Atheist]

You no what you prove yourself time and time again to be speaking for a whole group of people. It most correct to say some Jews. They too deny the word as you do, that is why you only point out what appeals to your narrative. Still no proof or hardcore evidence against the Word PERIOD! The word is clear and the scriptures do not lie, men do but not the word.

Whose word, the spurious author of the book of Enoch? Or God's Word?

 

[OfLivingWaters]

Hypocrite! Your own words convict you . You tout the Talmud, then Catholic doctrine now Protestant and then say Jews- meaning all do not support Enoch's writings. When clearly I shared that some Jews do. I never claimed every Jew does but that many do and is why I shared an article from TORAH DRIVEN LIFE! Hello!
You have a big problem of which inconsistency is one! I am surprised that an intelligent moderator would let you continue with your mad rants when clearly you have No sound conviction on or in any denominational doctrine which makes you therefore more crazy than the SDA you condemn and whom ever else. Hypocrite! what are you exactly, other than a trouble maker who goes on everyone's shoulder
gives praise then condemns and judges. Likes ,then attacks, you are a crazy obviously. Can not expect consistent , intelligent, coherent discussion or debate which one such as the likes of you. Is everyone who participated in this discussion (excluding myself) as flippant as you? If so, very creepy.

 

[I Love An Atheist]

There is nothing to read the scriptures are clear OT. Of course they were not designed to be human -be flesh, but could manipulate the physical realm . There is not ......in any biblical verse you quoted one thing which denies that!They could do as Genesis says. The scriptures do not contradict one another, only false interpretation contradicts the meaning of scripture.
The Corruption of Mankind Genesis6:1-22

1Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Nephilim are the offspring of the Sons of God and women. The Hebrews know this and so do most today who understand the Hebrew language which the scriptures were written in. The translation is not lost, people just find it all hard to swallow.

Nephilim: a giant race: which were the offspring of angels and women.
If you want to give an explanation outside of scriptures of HOW, GIANTS came to be have at it!

We see in animals that in the same species, some can be tiny while others can be huge. There are Clydesdale horses that are enormous, miniature horses that are tiny, Shetland ponies, Thoroughbred horses, etc. Did horse shaped demons need to mate with mares to make gigantic Clydesdale horses?

And how did the dinosaurs come to be? Did dinosaur shaped demons have to mate with a normal sized terrestrial bird to make a T rex?

How did the giant demons mate with human women, anyway? Or were they normal sized men in appearance when they mated? Wouldn't they kill the women they mated with? Wouldn't those women die in childbirth? How does a normal sized woman give birth to a giant baby, anyway? Wouldn't they both die during the birth process?

How is any of this clear? Have you ever had sex and given birth? If babies during gestational diabetes in their mother get huge from all the blood sugar being so high -- say up to 11 pounds -- they often are delivered via C section. Or if they are vaginally born they may be born with broken collar bones. And these are just normal human babies, not giant babies.

It is anything but clear why -- and how! -- giants would be born if it were possible for fallen angels to mate with human women.

 

[I Love An Atheist]

Hypocrite! Your own words convict you . You tout the Talmud, then Catholic doctrine now Protestant and then say Jews- meaning all do not support Enoch's writings. When clearly I shared that some Jews do. I never claimed every Jew does but that many do and is why I shared an article from TORAH DRIVEN LIFE! Hello!
You have a big problem of which inconsistency is one!

That I "touted" the Talmud or Catholic doctrine is a stretch. I would be willing to look into many sources for *history* but not for *scripture*.

To say Jews find it controversial and speculative does not imply anything about what they all believe. It implies the opposite. If there is controversy, there have to be some arguing for and some arguing against.

 

[I Love An Atheist]

I am surprised that an intelligent moderator would let you continue with your mad rants when clearly you have No sound conviction on or in any denominational doctrine which makes you therefore more crazy than the SDA you condemn and whom ever else. Hypocrite! what are you exactly, other than a trouble maker who goes on everyone's shoulder gives praise then condemns and judges. Likes ,then attacks, you are a crazy obviously. Can not expect consistent , intelligent, coherent discussion or debate which one such as the likes of you. Is everyone who participated in this discussion (excluding myself) as flippant as you? If so, very creepy.

I'm just a person who opened a can of worms and then didn't want to eat a worm sandwich after you shoved one in my face and told me it's yummy.

 

[I Love An Atheist]

I suppose I have had a habit going back a couple of decades of flirting with the numinous but then rejecting it in skepticism. One could even dub it a form of postmodernist entertainment for a huge sector of our population. If you didn't know, this is a common tendency among atheists. My husband is an atheist, and he has science books and pseudo science books, strictly separated on his bookshelves. I am no longer an atheist, and I tired of my former pattern. I have only been Christian for about five years and have not yet decided on a denomination to join.

It is true that I have been drawn at times to what I feel may be lost history and lost continuity from Hebrew roots and Catholic roots. It is still true that I am *interested* in researching the entire *history* of both Judaism and Christianity.

It *was* true that I was drawn to the Catholic church. One reason was because it is very visual, and I have a son with autism. People with autism are visual learners much more than auditory learners.

After a while of considering the idea of attending Catholic church, I imagined what might happen with my son's anxiety and OCD. Even a good priest may make it worse because of not understanding autism. A bad one might manipulate him. There seems to be a lot of ritualism that would lend itself to anxiety and OCD, and it became a nighmarish vision. So I rejected the idea of attending a Catholic church with my son. I will not set him up for spiritual enslavement by means of his tendency to anxiety and OCD.

It still remains true that I am interested in Catholic *history*.

And it still remains true that I am always willing to consider new information. Considering new information does not mean that I need to immediately believe somebody's arguments about it.

I have never hidden anything about myself when I joined this board. I have made it clear even from my chosen online name here just who and what I am. Baptists have not rejected me for it.

 

[I Love An Atheist]

I have been forthcoming about my beliefs and lack thereof. So now OfLivingWaters will you be equally forthcoming about your denomination and your doctrinal beliefs?

 

[OfLivingWaters]

That I "touted" the Talmud or Catholic doctrine is a stretch. I would be willing to look into many sources for *history* but not for *scripture*.

To say Jews find it controversial and speculative does not imply anything about what they all believe. It implies the opposite. If there is controversy, there have to be some arguing for and some arguing against.

Then you have not looked into scripture because the scriptures too convict you that angels did in fact go into women and that there were giants, and that for the product of the fallen ones all man's flesh was corrupted beyond that which took place in the garden. The scripture themselves teach this truth. Your point?

You have not touted scripture if you did you would have known the answer. And still you have not discredited anything I have said, but certainly have contradict yourself, in saying "You already knew what I was saying", in one of your post. You run i n circles . So, now that we are at this point, what is in question concerning Enoch ? Right here, right now- you lay it out, and I will give answer, in the Holy Spirit. And make sure you quote from a creditable book. As you said you are not knowledgeable in his works , pose a questionable belief you say the writing's hold.

 

[I Love An Atheist]

Then you have not looked into scripture because the scriptures too convict you that angels did in fact go into women and that there were giants, and that for the product of the fallen ones all man's flesh was corrupted beyond that which took place in the garden. The scripture themselves teach this truth. Your point?

You have not touted scripture if you did you would have known the answer.

Scripture says "sons of God" and "daughters of men". OneBaptism from Scripture made a convincing case that "sons of God" meant descndants of Abel while "daughters of men" meant sons of Cain. The descendants of Abel became unequally yoked to the to the descendants of Cain. The descendants of Cain had fallen away into idolatry and apostasy. After the descendants of Abel became unequally yoked, they also fell away and became more corrupted and more violent.

I read through all of this from the older thread. Did you? I recall OneBaptism inviting you to respond with specifics. I know you went through some of the posts in that older thread, but did you go through the parts that involved the descendants of Cain and the descendants of Abel?

 

[I Love An Atheist]

And you are what denomination, OfLivingWaters? You just attacked me for lack of doctrinal or denominational belief. Now you won't say what your denomination and doctrine is?

 

[I Love An Atheist]

Gigantism - Wikipedia

 

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https://www.researchgate.net/public...he_Impact_of_Past_Climate_on_Living_Standards

 

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Why are we getting taller as a species?

 

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6 Tall NBA Players Who Had Relatively Short Parents

 

[OfLivingWaters]

Scripture says "sons of God" and "daughters of men". OneBaptism from Scripture made a convincing case that "sons of God" meant descndants of Abel while "daughters of men" meant sons of Cain. The descendants of Abel became unequally yoked to the to the descendants of Cain. The descendants of Cain had fallen away into idolatry and apostasy. After the descendants of Abel became unequally yoked, they also fell away and became more corrupted and more violent.

I read through all of this from the older thread. Did you? I recall OneBaptism inviting you to respond with specifics. I know you went through some of the posts in that older thread, but did you go through the parts that involved the descendants of Cain and the descendants of Abel?

First of all Abel did not live long enough to produce children because his brother killed him. Seth therefore, was the child that was given to Eve to replace Abel whom Cain slew:

Genesis 4:25- 26
25Adam had relations with his wife again; and she gave birth to a son, and named him Seth, for, she said, "God has appointed me another offspring in place of Abel, for Cain killed him." 26To Seth, to him also a son was born; and he called his name Enosh. Then men began to call upon the name of the LORD.…

IN PLACE OF ABEL!

So someone whom you discredit due to his affiliation- church wise SDA, you use against me and scripture? Regardless of how convinced you are about anything as to interpretation -does not mean a hill of beans concerning what the WORD says!

The word in the Hebrew scriptures for Son's of God is :Bene elohim and are part of different Jewish angelic hierarchies.
The Hebrews know their own language. You seem to think the gentile know more about it than the source. FIRST TO THE JEW THEN GREEK! What were the scripture written in?

 

[OfLivingWaters]

Why are we getting taller as a species?

Now you need to go else where with your nonsense you do not even believe in scripture. Hypocrite!

 

[I Love An Atheist]

Dr. Gabe Mirkin on Health, Fitness and Nutrition. | Andre the Giant and Acromegaly

 

[I Love An Atheist]

Now you need to go else where with your nonsense you do not even believe in scripture. Hypocrite!

There was nothing in my link to contradict Scripture. False accuser. You didn't know that intelligent design proponents acknowledge natural selection within species, just not evolution of new species?