Husband of one Wife

Yes, but today we have even greater enlightenment and greater wisdom than that of these mortal men.

 

No. Actually, we have the Word of God which trumps even the best interpretations of the greatest theologians.

Just deal with the text. If you could, you wouldn't be trying all these diversions while avoiding what the text actually says completely.

 

Pastor Larry said: In 1 Cor 7, remarriage after divorce is specifically said to not be sin. I have a hard time contradicting Scripture to meet up with the standards that someone else has.

I agree BUT the Bible says

Divorce for the cause of adultery should come only after the above scriptural criteria are met. Divorce for any other reason is a sin and the person who divorces for any other reason and then remarries commits adultery.

 

I agree with every verse you have cited, Diane, and for the most part i agree with your interpretation of them. I hope you know by now that I do not condone divorce and do not recommend it. Divorce is always a last resort. The question is, What do we do after divorce?

Jesus specifically said that one who remarries after divorce for fornication is not committing adultery.

Paul said that one who is divorced by desertion has been loosed, which most take (properly I think) as free to remarry.

Paul specifically said that one who remarries after divorce "has not sinned." I don't think we can really take the liberty to contradict that.

BTW, forgiveness does not always mean reconciliation. Reconciliation takes two parties, and if one is not willing, then there can be no reconciliation of hte marriage.

 

Agree Pastor Larry. I wanted to make sure it was clear to you and others that I believe divorce after adultery and dessertion is okay IF the other criteria is met. A 'lifestyle' of adultery with no repentance or adultery and dissertion frees the innocent party. Restoration should be sought and forgiveness offered.

I believe JohnV wouldn't mind me saying that I felt he had done everything scripture commanded of him to try and save his first marriage. I find no scriptural problem with his remarriage.

I would not expect any divorced man to be deacon material tho because of the 'ruler of his house' criteria.

 

It is wonderful to be able to agree with you... sort of.

A divorce would definitely raise concerns about a man's ability to rule his own house.

For instance, a man with children from another marriage that do not live in his home could not rule those children in any practical sense that would satisfy this requirement.

An ex-wife that continued to have dealings whether financial, through a child, or other would most likely prevent a man from ruling his own house well. He has lost an element of control.

 

If divorce is a sin, it's forgiven. But divorce isn't the problem, it's the adultery thereafter.

 

He said that people who divorce and remarry for any other reason commit adultery. He was silent on those divorce over fornication.

As to those who divorce for reasons other than adultery, Jesus could not have been clearer. The only question is whether adultery is good for deacons.

 

The answer is that divorce is wrong for everyone. No one wins. The trick is to allow your Heavenly Father to guide you in your choice of a mate and not to enter easily into that life long covenant.

I've lost a lot of online friends because of my stance against divorce but I cannot water down scripture to save a friendship.

 

Sorry I am responding after 20 pages, but obviously you are trying to make decisions based on what you "assume" Paul's culture was like, while ignoring scripture. Do we go by the scripture or historical tradition?

 

I once had a pastor who discussed divorce. His response was interesting in that once a man and woman were remarried (for whatever reason they were divorced), it would be a sin for them to seperate "after the fact". Two wrongs don't make a right.

(I know this has nothing to do with qualifications for pastors, but a good point regarding people who try to make divorce into an unforgiveable and on-going sin.)

 

Divorce is not an ongoing sin. Adultery is an ongoing sin committed by the divorced.

 

So the scripture is in error?

"old things are passed away..." You mean forgiven but not forgotton??? That is forgivness?

"all things are become new" Except for a few that remain old that can be used as a weapon later on down the road???

Maybe I am in error? </font>[/QUOTE]Getting saved doesn't dissolve your marriage. No matter what some here claim, marriage is NOT a sin that is forgiven. Your marriage does NOT end with legal divorce, nor does it end when you get saved. The marriage remains for your lifetime, no matter what the laws of men say.

Again, divorce is not the problem. That's just a legal technicality. The problem is the fact that Jesus said, over and Over and OVER in the Bible, that a divorced person living with a new "wife" is committing adultery.

No piece of paper from a government saying that you're legally in a gay marriage, or legally divorced, will change the facts in God's eyes. You are still married to your first wife. You know the scriptures. You know that you are committing adultery with this woman you call your "new wife," yet you continue in the sin and you excuse the sin of others who do likewise, even making them deacons.

The scriptures are crystal clear on this. Jesus was crystal clear on this. You don't need to know the constant teaching of Christianity, from the early church straight through to today, to know that "divorced" people are still married to the first spouse and are committing adultery with the new "spouse." Just look at what Jesus said.

 

Isn't there a posting rule that says you must be a member of a Baptist church to post in 'Baptist Only' areas?

 

Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Mark 1-:2-12 "Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?" "What did Moses command you?" he replied. They said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away." "It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law," Jesus replied. "But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.' 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. He answered, "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery." -- Jesus, in Mark 10:2-12.

Luke 16:18 Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

PLEASE explain this to me. How was Jesus wrong when he said these things? Why didn't Jesus know that divorce ends the marriage? Didn't he know that there can be no adultery, as the legal divorce ends the marriage; man successfully overthrows God and separates what God has joined?

I have asked this for many pages now, without a single response. Is there not a single pro-divorcer who can explain away these verses?

 

It's Baptist only, and your denomination "Christ Jesus - crucified and risen" is non-Baptist.

 

Are you a member of a local Baptist church?

 

Gershom, you are not allowed to post on this board.