You are headed in the right direction. Keep on trusting the leadership of the Lord.
I look at the gift of wisdom as just that--wisdom, which is involved with right decision-making.
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I look at the gift of wisdom as just that--wisdom, which is involved with right decision-making.
There is a real revival movement among independent Baptists nowadays. One revival historian who is helping spread the word is Dr. Rick Flanders (Dr. Rick Flanders Revival Ministries). My own pastor hosted a day of fasting and prayer on Monday at a camp near here. 20 pastors fasted and prayed for six hours.I would not have a hard time returning to the Baptist church if they...
Would have the word preached with unction and conviction
Have altar services where saints and sinners a like would gather around the mourners bench for prayer....
In my old Baptist church we had a preacher who caused people to do this... This is from a cassette I bought in the 1970's....
In our church the "hour with God" has been spreading, and our pastor does seminars around the country about how to have a whole hour of personal devotions.
Thank you. I guess I wonder if preachers have a gifting to speak for the LORD in a less than linear way though. Not a Word from God, but still preaching that mimics that Jesus himself would give. The same would apply to any gift that is verbal or writing based.
Although, of course they are not prophecy.
Well, it can be forth-telling prophecy in this age, so maybe that is what you are considering. However, foretelling prophecy ceased with the giving of the canon, in my theology.
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Would you be able to explain the following then:
"... I can tell you a prophecy that John Huss gave, and one of which Luther gave, and of a dream of Frederick the elector of Saxony, Patrick of Ireland's [a seventh-day Sabbath keeper, in "The Confessio"] dream, William Miller, the visions of William Foy and Hazen Foss, and the visions and dreams of sister Ellen G. White, brother Matteson had a dream [Testimonies For the Church, Volume 1, Chapter 104, page 596.3-598.2 [JULY 15, 1867]]: and Manilaq the Eskimo prophet, and Auka the south American native, etc..."
Prophets and the Gift of Prophecy Continuing
Prophets and the Gift of Prophecy Continuing
Prophets and the Gift of Prophecy Continuing
Prophets and the Gift of Prophecy Continuing
Prophets and the Gift of Prophecy Continuing
Exactly the same thing happened with the Irvingites about 80 years or so before that.
"The Idol of the Irvingites is the power of utterance. This they implicitly obey as the Voice of God. To the worship of this all the signs and wonders which are manifested bring them." Robert Baxter Irvingism in its rise, progress and present state.... 1836.
Robert Baxter was one of the leading prophets in the Irvingite movement, before he realised its errors.
The men were not saved as they only knew the teaching of John the Baptist.
You assume that tongues and languages are two different things. They are not. Tongues mean languages and languages means tongues. The two words mean the same.
I speak in the English tongue. My granddaughter also speaks in the French tongue and the German tongue. To me German is an unknown tongue.
She is an exhibitionist;
Women should be silent in the Church.
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Proof [tongues = languages]:
Genesis 10:5 KJB - By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
Genesis 11:1 KJB - And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
Genesis 11:6 KJB - And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Genesis 11:7 KJB - Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
Genesis 11:9 KJB - Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
Ezra 4:7 KJB - And in the days of Artaxerxes wrote Bishlam, Mithredath, Tabeel, and the rest of their companions, unto Artaxerxes king of Persia; and the writing of the letter was written in the Syrian tongue, and interpreted in the Syrian tongue.
Daniel 1:4 KJB - Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.
Acts 1:19 KJB - And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
Acts 2:6 KJB - Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
Acts 2:7 KJB - And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
Acts 2:8 KJB - And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
Acts 2:9 KJB - Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
Acts 2:10 KJB - Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
Acts 2:11 KJB - Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
Acts 21:40 KJB - And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,
Acts 22:2 KJB - (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)
Acts 26:14 KJB - And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Revelation 9:11 KJB - And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
Revelation 16:16 KJB - And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Genesis 11:1 KJB - And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
Genesis 11:6 KJB - And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Genesis 11:7 KJB - Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
Genesis 11:9 KJB - Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
Ezra 4:7 KJB - And in the days of Artaxerxes wrote Bishlam, Mithredath, Tabeel, and the rest of their companions, unto Artaxerxes king of Persia; and the writing of the letter was written in the Syrian tongue, and interpreted in the Syrian tongue.
Daniel 1:4 KJB - Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.
Acts 1:19 KJB - And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
Acts 2:6 KJB - Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
Acts 2:7 KJB - And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
Acts 2:8 KJB - And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
Acts 2:9 KJB - Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
Acts 2:10 KJB - Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
Acts 2:11 KJB - Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
Acts 21:40 KJB - And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,
Acts 22:2 KJB - (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)
Acts 26:14 KJB - And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Revelation 9:11 KJB - And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
Revelation 16:16 KJB - And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Where are "altar services where saints and sinners a like would gather around the mourners bench for prayer..." mentioned in scripture?
And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves. - Mark 11:17
What has that got to do with your post?
Jesus was speaking about the temple. In these later days, the House of the Lord is the Church.
And the Mourner's Bench?
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Perhaps I am guilty of quibbling. However, for you to argue that the gift of tongues was not “repeated throughout Acts” because it only happened three times (I thought three times qualified as repeated) in Chapter 2 (near the beginning), Chapter 10 (near the middle) and Chapter 19 (near the end) of Acts (which looks like throughout Acts to me) ... may make you guilty of the same sort of ‘quibbling spirit’.
What do you mean by this distinction?
I no longer speak in tongues or interpret, I was told to pray for God to take these "gifts" if they were not of Him. They are gone. I still believe in the classical gift of speaking in actual languages, albeit it is rare in Church history. I asked for God to take the gift of prophecy if it was not of Him and I was given the words "Jesus is Lord" in prophecy shortly thereafter. So, I will stand by my visions and dreams and prophecy.
So, I am now Baptacostal as I believe in believer's baptism, but this board has harsh rules on the belief all the spiritual gifts are for today. My last SBC pastor who follows Grudem would seemingly not be welcome here in the Baptist-only forums.
Can you not be a continuist here?
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Apparently not, according to TCassidy to believe that all the gifts are for today is to be outside the purview of the baptist distinctives, since you believe in extra-biblical revelation of some type. As far as this tells me, to believe in prophecy is to believe against Deuteronomy according to the BB. Now, as a former member of an SBC church, that strikes me as definitively anti-SBC in that it assumes a theological rule enforced by a theological vanguard.
There are 1007 verses in 28 chapters in Acts. The words "tongue" or "tongues" occurs with the followikng meanings:Perhaps I am guilty of quibbling. However, for you to argue that the gift of tongues was not “repeated throughout Acts” because it only happened three times (I thought three times qualified as repeated) in Chapter 2 (near the beginning), Chapter 10 (near the middle) and Chapter 19 (near the end) of Acts (which looks like throughout Acts to me) ... may make you guilty of the same sort of ‘quibbling spirit’.
1. "Hebrew tongue"--3 times (not your meaning)
2. "tongues of fire"--once
3. Other definite languages--5 times, including 4 in Acts 2
4. Possible Charismatic "tongues" meaning--only twice, 10:46 & 19:6.
So, with all meanings included, there are only 11/1007 mentions of "tongue" (Gr. glossa) in Acts. That's only about 1/100--hardly "throughout Acts."
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