I Felt I Should Drop in and Explain Why I Left

[Yeshua1]

I have two books in the works.

I have the equivalent of an MTS from a seminary and a B.A. in international relations. That is why I can keep up with this stuff at all.

Book number one is at 100,000 words. It is the explanation of my absolutely crazy life to date. It is an autobiography that covers the pain of mental illness, this recent series of developments, coming to Christianity form atheism, coming to heartfelt faith in Jesus two years ago, and so much more. I need to pare it back to 70,000 words. So at this point its all editing. It is unbelievable and also sad that my first draft came out so long as a 33 year old.

Book number two is all the writing I have done lately on prophetic theology and bible teaching, words of wisdom, and the prophetic foreign policy stuff. How this works is that I have gotten powerful observations that have aided my spiritual walk amazingly for two years. I made sure to write them down since I figured they seemed more from God than me, but I did not fully understand what that meant. I thought they were just bible teaching and Christian apologetics that suddenly occurred to me and changed me, but after reading up on the word of wisdom in the lives of other Christians, I now see what they are.

I also get visions, impressions, and other prophecy to lead me to a theological or bible study topic that is then carefully researched. I then write with impressions and other prophecy guiding me at key points. I have perhaps 30,000 words written in that book of a 50,000 word goal, given the topics I have been so far led to. Its pretty wild because they are not the topics I thought were important. I have been led to attack the scientific worldview, call for revival in the American Church through a study of Revelation 2-3, and much more. The foreign policy stuff is very simple and straightforward and could be agreed upon by most conservative evangelicals as just good sense.

I hope to have two rough drafts for two books by the fall.

You MUST discern that which is of God and that of satan here Brother!

 

[Yeshua1]

There are three types I have performed:

Ruach or breath - a miracle I am told is kind of "common." I can pray and then have an involuntary gust of breath come out of me. I do not mean breathing hard or even a cough. Although, if I could pray and it cause coughing that is a miracle. Ruach or breath sounds like a very odd cough, but is quite comfortable to do. I have even recorded the sound, as it carries and is very unique. Usually, I get the ruach or breath naturally at the end of some prayers, especially very powerful ones. As far as I remember, it signifies a close presence of the Holy Spirit.

Impartation of a feeling/touched by the Holy Spirit - I have a gift to pray over someone and give them a feeling that is unexplained. This one works in two ways. I can pray that someone is touched by the Holy Spirit and it produces one of two feelings. Either it produces conviction of some sin that person's life. And I mean a strong visceral conviction. Or it can produce an unexplained feeling that shocks the person. I can work it on myself and the feeling can even change as commanded. For instance, I can say form the top of your head to the soles of your feet you will feel a feeling, and it happens. Or I can say from the tips of your fingers to the tips of your fingers you will feel it, and it happens.

Weather Manipulation - This one scares me and my faith is shown to be weaker than I think by it. I have stopped using it as it scares me so much and is a huge challenge to a faith that has a long way to go. I will love to learn this one in the presence of my church as an intern though. I have prayed for clouds to separate into two clouds, it happens over the course of 15 minutes about 50% of the time. I have prayed that rain lesson, it does about 25% of the time to the point you can wander back to your car and not get soaked. I have prayed for justice to fall upon some group, and a natural disaster hits them within a year of praying. Of course, I pray for salvation and repentance and earthly blessing for those I pray for justice against too! I have even once stepped out in faith and motioned for three lightning bolts to come down and it happened within seconds like clockwork. Although, that one shook me to the core and stopped me from trying to manipulate the weather miraculously for a season I am still in.

The basic question here though would be "are you glorifying man, yourself or those other "prophets", or glorifying Jesus Christ?

 

[JonC]

Hello everyone,

I know it has been a long time. I have left the message board because my views on theology have changed drastically. I am now a member of the prayer and worship movement started by IHOPKC and Mike Bickle. I am currently attending a new church in Orlando that is a house of prayer, having left Baptist churches behind for now.

I have an amazing testimony of how I was plucked by God out of my classical cessationist theology and planted in the theology of the the international house of prayer Kansas City in a matter of weeks. I may end up sharing it later on this thread.

I don't really consider myself a non-Baptist though. That is because I still hold to the Baptist distinctives, for now. Although, I would probably only feel at home in a "Baptacostal" church at this point.

The main thing that convinced me to leave for the house of prayers was actually getting powerful spiritual gifts. I now speak in tongues, interpret tongues, perform miracles, have words of wisdom, prophetically intercede, prophetically sing, have prophetic dreams, have visions, have prophetic impressions, hear an audible prophetic voice, get the words of the Holy Spirit put into my mouth sometimes, and prophetically write theology, bible teachings, and foreign policy. All by His grace. I kid you not, I now do all of that in the last few months.

I have every confirmation I will ever need to prove the Charismatic movement is genuinely of God. Yet, I must warn that there are charlatans, false prophets, false teachers, and even false apostles that we must be wary of. A love of reading and researching the bible and an absolute fidelity to the bible are what I have found is needed to venture into this world and not be deceived. A testing spirit, not a critical spirit, but a spirit of testing everyone and everything is also needed.

I thank this board for nurturing me in the faith. However, I must point out that it seems we argue here for the sake of argument than really make any breakthrough on understanding truth. I learn far more going to church, studying the bible, praying, and using my spiritual gifts than coming on the board.

I do want to mention that I have given up my extreme judgmental-ism of those in the Church. I am trying to stop any desire to be divisive or schismatic. I even admit Roman Catholics, Anglicans, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox are in fact Christians. I may disagree with a ton of their theology, but I see the presence of their salvation.

Thanks everyone,
Steven

Good to hear from you, Steven. I had wondered where you went. You've always struck me as a kind person, something that showes through your posts here.

I hope you find a Bible believing church, and you are in my prayers.

 

[thatbrian]

These posts remind me a lot of charismatic talk--Nothing about Jesus Christ the Lord, only "I, me, my, I, I, I, me, me, me...my abilities, this is what i can do, etc."

Yes. Their experience is what it's all about.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes. Their experience is what it's all about.

His experiences with having theology given to him by God, having all tongues and visions, weather rainman etc...
Our brother really needs to seek out a good church, with solid theology, not the spiritual junk getting from Charismatic Chaos!

 

[Steven Yeadon]

I also note that if you are no longer attending a Baptist church. So you are breaking the rules of the BB by posting here.

I do worry that I may be making that mistake. I figured that since I still hold to the Baptist distinctives as a Charismatic that this means I can still post in the Baptist-only forums. I also wanted to reach out to the people I most hung out with online. If I am breaking an actual rule, one I am unfamiliar with, I will ask the Mods to move this thread to another forum.

I want to say I am very sorry for the persecution you have endured at the hands of any Charismatic Christians. My thesis that changed everything and was proven to me was that all the gifts are for today. I will defend that thesis, because I believe it can be shown to be biblical, but not the actions of those who harassed you.

As for tongues, I speak "in the Spirit" in unknown languages. However, I record a fair portion of my tongues and write them out for further study. I would love to hold them up to a linguistic analysis.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

The Bible does not teach that "of course all prophecy must be tested by the Church." That is nowhere in Scripture. Instead, according to the Bible, if one single prophecy of yours is not fulfilled, you are a false prophet.

I am odd in that I believe that if you have prophecy you deliver and it turns out to be false, then the prophetic person was duped by the flesh or the Enemy. This requires repentance and open confession of sin every time.

 

[Jerome]

I speak "in the Spirit" in unknown languages. However, I record a fair portion of my tongues and write them out for further study. I would love to hold them up to a linguistic analysis.

Please post some of them you've written out and we'll analyze them. I remember one of my linguistics professors said he'd occasionally be contacted to do that.

 

[thatbrian]

His experiences with having theology given to him by God, having all tongues and visions, weather rainman etc...
Our brother really needs to seek out a good church, with solid theology, not the spiritual junk getting from Charismatic Chaos!

From what I've read, he needs a bit more than that.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

I have seen God answer prayer and stop the rain so that we could have a teen camp activity, or so that we could do evangelism in Japan. But "weather manipulation"? It doesn't glorify God for you to "motion" so that lightening bolts will fall. That glorifies you--makes you look like a magician. That's not what miracles are about.

These posts remind me a lot of charismatic talk--Nothing about Jesus Christ the Lord, only "I, me, my, I, I, I, me, me, me...my abilities, this is what i can do, etc."

The basic question here though would be "are you glorifying man, yourself or those other "prophets", or glorifying Jesus Christ?

These are an excellent set of criticisms. I must immediately thank God in the name of Jesus for giving me such powerful gifts despite being an evil, undeserving, slave just doing my duty. I must do all I do with these gifts not to my own fame but to the fame of God. That I let the thoughts of doing the miraculous for my own fame in at all is disappointing. I have all these gifts for God's fame, not mine.

Although there is a lot that could be said about your post, I'll limit it here to these points. Have you prayed for justice for the Syrians who burned and crucified Christians there? Their savage injustices have been curtailed some, but there's no miracle involved that I see; it's rather all earthly means.

I intercede for justice against the rebels and the government. I have been led to intercede in prophecy for justice for all Syrians and groups of people in Syria wronged by either side. I know the rebels are evil and the fact they are losing the war shows the Syrian revolution is truly not of God.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

As for salvation and repentance, I"ve considered that before. If we ask in His name, we will receive, right? So-- pray for salvation for the entire world, then go out on the streets and ask anyone if they know Jesus. If anyone at all does not, then your prayer didn't 'work.' Why not? We want to ask according to His will, but is it not His will that all come to repentance and faith in Jesus. What's wrong, then?

I feel it is important to correct this with scripture. Paul prayed that all the Israelites, his people, may be saved (Romans 10:1). So, we do have a righteous biblical example of praying for a group of people that may never actually be saved.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Please post some of them you've written out and we'll analyze them. I remember one of my linguistics professors said he'd occasionally be contacted to do that.

I will by the end of the day, I look forward to it.

 

[TCassidy]

I figured that since I still hold to the Baptist distinctives as a Charismatic that this means I can still post in the Baptist-only forums.

One of the most important Baptist Distinctives is "The Bible is the Soul Authority in All Matters of Faith and Practice." As you no longer believe that, you are no longer a Baptist and no longer qualified to post in the Baptist Only Sections.

I have moved this thread to the "Other Christian" section of the BB.

 

[TCassidy]

I am odd in that I believe that if you have prophecy you deliver and it turns out to be false, then the prophetic person was duped by the flesh or the Enemy. This requires repentance and open confession of sin every time.

Where does the bible teach that, Steven?

I thought the bible said:

Deuteronomy 18:20 "But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death."

Is that wrong? Is the bible mistaken?

 

[Steven Yeadon]

This is a broad sampling of the Tongues I have spoken in the last two months. I do believe each line is a sentence, and each segment separated by an empty line is a whole thought. Fortunately, I translated all of these already and can provide translation later on.

Mee’nah Cor-rey-ah,
Ah’Mah teh rah’mah

Mee’nuh Ter-rah’bluh
Mee’nuh Ter-rah-Bah-Bah-Bah

Mee-nuh Mahdrah

Nee-Mah Kor-rrr-ree-ah

ee-Nah-Trah Pah-ee-ah

Mee-Nah Koo-Ree-Ah

No Nah-Krih Pah-Nee-Ah

Tree-Mee’Ah

Mee-Rah Kah

Nah-Mee-ur

Maru

Maraah Keeah Moo-Goo

Meenah Kohrrah Mahdrah

Mee’Nuh Loo-Bee-Bah-Nah Veerah Mah-Nah-Krah Mah
MeeNuh Korrah Bah

Ee Mah-trah Maya

Mah-Nah-Nah Cuh-Nah-Nah
Mah-Nee Cuh-Nah-Nah Moe-Boo-Nah

Mee-nuh Cor-aih Suh-Muh-Nuh-Nuh

Ee Mah Nah Pah Tah

 

[thatbrian]

This is a broad sampling of the Tongues I have spoken in the last two months. I do believe each line is a sentence, and each segment separated by an empty line is a whole thought. Fortunately, I translated all of these already and can provide translation later on.

Mee’nah Cor-rey-ah,
Ah’Mah teh rah’mah

Mee’nuh Ter-rah’bluh
Mee’nuh Ter-rah-Bah-Bah-Bah

Mee-nuh Mahdrah

Nee-Mah Kor-rrr-ree-ah

ee-Nah-Trah Pah-ee-ah

Mee-Nah Koo-Ree-Ah

No Nah-Krih Pah-Nee-Ah

Tree-Mee’Ah

Mee-Rah Kah

Nah-Mee-ur

Maru

Maraah Keeah Moo-Goo

Meenah Kohrrah Mahdrah

Mee’Nuh Loo-Bee-Bah-Nah Veerah Mah-Nah-Krah Mah
MeeNuh Korrah Bah

Ee Mah-trah Maya

Mah-Nah-Nah Cuh-Nah-Nah
Mah-Nee Cuh-Nah-Nah Moe-Boo-Nah

Mee-nuh Cor-aih Suh-Muh-Nuh-Nuh

Ee Mah Nah Pah Tah

Can I play?! Da Doo Ron Ron

 

[tyndale1946]

ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!... He's gone!... Brother Glen

 

[Yeshua1]

This is a broad sampling of the Tongues I have spoken in the last two months. I do believe each line is a sentence, and each segment separated by an empty line is a whole thought. Fortunately, I translated all of these already and can provide translation later on.

Mee’nah Cor-rey-ah,
Ah’Mah teh rah’mah

Mee’nuh Ter-rah’bluh
Mee’nuh Ter-rah-Bah-Bah-Bah

Mee-nuh Mahdrah

Nee-Mah Kor-rrr-ree-ah

ee-Nah-Trah Pah-ee-ah

Mee-Nah Koo-Ree-Ah

No Nah-Krih Pah-Nee-Ah

Tree-Mee’Ah

Mee-Rah Kah

Nah-Mee-ur

Maru

Maraah Keeah Moo-Goo

Meenah Kohrrah Mahdrah

Mee’Nuh Loo-Bee-Bah-Nah Veerah Mah-Nah-Krah Mah
MeeNuh Korrah Bah

Ee Mah-trah Maya

Mah-Nah-Nah Cuh-Nah-Nah
Mah-Nee Cuh-Nah-Nah Moe-Boo-Nah

Mee-nuh Cor-aih Suh-Muh-Nuh-Nuh

Ee Mah Nah Pah Tah

What wasa missing from the scriptures and from the Lord Jesus/Holy Spirit themselves that forced you to turn to ungodly sources now?
When someone needs direction and guidance, do you seek that in the Bible, or by tongues and utterances now?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!... He's gone!... Brother Glen

Unfortunately he was never balanced. Too bad... really, too bad

 

[ChrisTheSaved]

This is a broad sampling of the Tongues I have spoken in the last two months. I do believe each line is a sentence, and each segment separated by an empty line is a whole thought. Fortunately, I translated all of these already and can provide translation later on.

Mee’nah Cor-rey-ah,
Ah’Mah teh rah’mah

Mee’nuh Ter-rah’bluh
Mee’nuh Ter-rah-Bah-Bah-Bah

Mee-nuh Mahdrah

Nee-Mah Kor-rrr-ree-ah

ee-Nah-Trah Pah-ee-ah

Mee-Nah Koo-Ree-Ah

No Nah-Krih Pah-Nee-Ah

Tree-Mee’Ah

Mee-Rah Kah

Nah-Mee-ur

Maru

Maraah Keeah Moo-Goo

Meenah Kohrrah Mahdrah

Mee’Nuh Loo-Bee-Bah-Nah Veerah Mah-Nah-Krah Mah
MeeNuh Korrah Bah

Ee Mah-trah Maya

Mah-Nah-Nah Cuh-Nah-Nah
Mah-Nee Cuh-Nah-Nah Moe-Boo-Nah

Mee-nuh Cor-aih Suh-Muh-Nuh-Nuh

Ee Mah Nah Pah Tah

You have problems brother. Charismatics are very self centered, they want to have all the attention in themselves. Look at the way they dress, look at how they act. Man....please open your eyes.

I am praying for you. If you really do not understand speaking in tongues is not biblical you need to read the Bible.