I have decided

[carpro]

Unless one considers Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party. (I'm a "Bible believing Christian" and that's who I like the best.)

That's the same as a vote for Obama.

 

[Pegs]

I have decided.....We will just have to agree to disagree

We know this about them turning on us, at least some of us do. But the fact remains, we are there, we had the surge, neighborhoods are being turned back over to the Iraqis, women can vote there, a lot of work has been done and sacrifices have been made. Let's move forward and let our troops come home with dignity and victory for accomplishing their mission, even if the correctness of the mission is debatable. That still doesn't take away from the fact that out of the 4 major candidates, McCain is the only one who has fought for this country, like he said. He went from the squalor and torture of being a POW and is on the road to the White House. If anyone deserves it just for the fact of sacrifices made for this country, John McCain does. It's his time.

I just don't agree with you on this matter. Again I have great respect for McCain and what he has been through for this Country. A lot of great military men have been through the same and some even more , but this does not make him a great presidential candidate. As for Palin, I will keep her son in my prayers, as with all military continue to be in my prayers. All the candidates tell us things we want to hear, like Palin speaking in the church video. That is her home church, (which I don't agree that our pulpits should be used to promote politics either), but they always act and say certain things to get the votes. The Christian vote is a big percentage in America. I don't blame her. Sorry, like I said we will agree to disagree. I need to stay off of the polictical threads. I get too upset.

 

[LadyEagle]

The church video was filmed in June, so it wasn't to get votes back then.

As far as your son and all of our military, they are in our prayers. My heart goes out to the families of all who serve and we are grateful for your sacrifice. I don't say this glibly, I have had members of my own family and friends who have served and some deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Pegs]

Politicians are always looking for votes.

The church video was filmed in June, so it wasn't to get votes back then.

As far as your son and all of our military, they are in our prayers. My heart goes out to the families of all who serve and we are grateful for your sacrifice. I don't say this glibly, I have had members of my own family and friends who have served and some deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan.

In this video, they were praying over Palin for her next step. Once in Politics always in politics. She knew she would continue in politics. How do we know what was going on behind closed doors. The Pres. Candidates are always considering names for running mates. June was not that long ago.

 

[KenH]

A lot of great military men have been through the same and some even more , but this does not make him a great presidential candidate.

Amen.

The idea of voting for Senator McCain because he served in the military and was a POW is silly. If that is what counts then McCain should have picked a fellow former POW to be his running mate.

 

[KenH]

two parents who have both put their sons in combat in Iraq

Joe Biden's son will be in Iraq, also.

 

[KenH]

Americans (read red states)

Those of us who are standing against the terrible policies put into place by Republicans are just as much Americans as you are, LE, whether you like it or not.

 

[LeBuick]

Not a bad strategy either...

Bring them out of hiding into one place and terminate them.

How many of those Al Qaeda and Taliban killed in Iraq would have otherwise lived to go on and kill some unsuspecting innocent person in some other part of the world with their murdering suicide bombs?

Tell that to the Iraqi parents who lost children in that effort. I'm sure they will agree this was a great strategy.

 

[targus]

Tell that to the Iraqi parents who lost children in that effort. I'm sure they will agree this was a great strategy.

Which children would that be?

 

[NiteShift]

Tell that to the Iraqi parents who lost children in that effort. I'm sure they will agree this was a great strategy.

It was a good strategy: drawing Al Qaeda into the fight and wrecking them there. And keep in mind that it wasn't the Americans who chose to kill thousands of Iraqi civilians with car bombs in market places. AQ didn't have to fight that way.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

That's the same as a vote for Obama.

No it's not. It's a vote for Baldwin. It's neither a vote for McCain nor Obama.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

DT, you ever read the Old Testament? The normal tool God uses to execute his judgement for the history of mankind has been nonChristian, even pagan governments and armies.

I've read the OT.

Would we be okay, then, with God using nonChristian governments, armies or entities (such as the Russians, Chinese, Iran, or Al-Queda) to judge us for our national sins? What I fear is that many here subconsciously equate all our foreign policy decisions with the righteous hand of God rather than acts of imperialistic hubris, which sadly they often are. I also fear that we ourselves will be judged for these same hubristic acts.

My point is that as a nation we need to get off our collective high horse and quit hypocritically lecturing (and invading) others when our nation's foreign policy is often guilty of many of the same sins. (For instance, despite the fact that we invaded Iraq--a nation that posed no direct threat to us--McCain had the audacity to proclaim in regards to the Russian incursion into Georgia that (wtte) "in the 21st century nations don't invade other nations".

 

[dh1948]

As Americans we have the privilege to vote as our conscience dictates. Therefore, I cannot pass judgment on the motives of why a person votes for McCain, Obama, Barr, or Baldwin.

Obviously, neither Barr nor Baldwin are viable candidates at this point. I am not sure Baldwin has ever been. In my opinion, to vote for either of them is a wasted vote as far as having an impact on who will be our next president. The next president will be either McCain or Obama. I want to be able to say that my vote counted, so I am voting for one of them....namely, John McCain. He may not win, but at least I will know that I did my part to try to elect him.

If Obama wins, I will support him with my prayers. I don't like him. I won't like the fact that he is president, but as one in authority over me, I will pray for him daily.

 

[JamieinNH]

... Americans (read red states)

I take offense to this.. I am in a "blue" state and am every bit of as an American as you are.. I think you should be a little more careful at what you imply with this type of wording...

Thanks,
Jamie

 

[rbell]

She's pro-life. Despite what the liberal press tells us and liberal polls, Americans (read red states)

see link here: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/statemapredblue.png

are against abortion. She is a woman, a mother, a military mom, and is a conservative, to name a few.

Regardless of what the liberal press tells us, the majority of Americans have the old fashioned small town values, something that is lost on the political pundits and east and left coasts.

I'm as conservative as they come, but I'm not comfortable with the insinuation that folks are somehow less "American" if they're not as conservative as me.

We might disagree on tons... but unless someone is to the point of being treasonous or such, I'm not going to tag them with an "un-American" moniker.

 

[carpro]

No it's not. It's a vote for Baldwin. It's neither a vote for McCain nor Obama.

I can understand why you would look at it that way, but a vote for Baldwin aids in electing Obama.

That's a fact.

You don't have to like it. That's just the way it will work. You might as well vote for Obama and get it over with.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

I can understand why you would look at it that way, but a vote for Baldwin aids in electing Obama.

That's a fact.

You don't have to like it. That's just the way it will work. You might as well vote for Obama and get it over with.

Fact is I can't in good conscience vote for either McCain or Obama. Either would be dangerous and would support policies as a "Bible believing Christian" I couldn't honestly support. That's just a fact. I might as well at least vote for someone I can honestly support even if he doesn't win. (Come to think of it, some of the Obama supporters on this message board could just as easily say that me not voting for their guy aids McCain!)

I'm done with supporting the alleged "lesser of two evils". If that brings consternation to you as a McCain supporter, I'm sorry. You don't have to like it, but that's the way it will be.

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

Would we be okay, then, with God using nonChristian governments, armies or entities (such as the Russians, Chinese, Iran, or Al-Queda) to judge us for our national sins?

Yea, it is. In fact I am pretty sure that is what will happen some day. It is really no different then God using the Babylonians or Assyrians to judge Israel.

As much as I dislike the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, have you read his sermon that everyone wants to condemn, the one where he said God d**n America. What he is saying is that we as a nation has disobeyed God and ignore his word. Why would we expect God to Bless America when our sin is so great. He mentions racism of course, but he also mentions abortion.

As far as your third party vote DT, if that is where you feel led then go for it. We have a great history of third party votes in America and while neither of those men will win the election strong support of their campaigns can result in policy changes by the major parties as they attempt to win your vote next time.

No vote is a wasted vote.

 

[Revmitchell]

I reject the notion that those who do not vote for McCain are in part responsible if Obama wins. We have the right to vote for who we want to and are in no way obligated to vote for a particular candidate just because of a dominate two party system. I may very well vote for Baldwin. But only because the stink will be less than the other two. But that in no way places any resonsibility on me for the victory or the policies of Obama. That credit goes to those who vote for him specifically and no one else. If I vote for anyone else other than Obama it is a vote against him. Period.

 

[LadyEagle]

I take offense to this.. I am in a "blue" state and am every bit of as an American as you are.. I think you should be a little more careful at what you imply with this type of wording...

Thanks,
Jamie

I wasn't "implying" anything. I think you should be a little more careful about jumping to conclusions....

Thanks,
LE