I have two questions for KJVOist.

[Bro Tony]

Welcome Phatcat,

None of your Scriptures teach or even infer KJVOism. The point continues to be made that we wait for one Scripture that teaches that the KJV is the only inspired english Bible. Especially since the Bible was already written in English prior to 1611. If you prefer the KJV, great, but don't come here with a man based religious faith in KJVOism and call it biblical. If it were biblical you could show us in the Bible.

Bro Tony

BTW--you claim to use the AV1611 KJB--yet you don't even quote from it when you refer to the Scripture, but to a revision of the 1611.

 

[william s. correa]

We need CSI to get the Kind of evidence that you want. Paul said as a looking glass darkly. not an "Electron Micrscope" Clearly. When we all get to heave what a day of rejoicing that will be! when we All see Jesus we will all Shout the "VICTORY"! The Isms belong with the False Doctorines! not the proven Heritage of the AV 1611! Some body say Amen! Stick with tradition and stay away from the teachings of man,(TCassidy,Robycop3, ransom, desaderio demonia,etc...) all of you I have "Marked" with a Big Sharpie! As the Word tells me to do!

 

[Bro Tony]

Stick with tradition and stay away from the teachings of man,(TCassidy,Robycop3, ransom, desaderio demonia,etc...) all of you I have "Marked" with a Big Sharpie! As the Word tells me to do!

William,

Is this an attack on their salvation or their walk in the Lord? If so you have just violated the BB rules that you agreed to abide by. I guess you are having trouble letting your "yeah be your Yeah"

Bro Tony

 

[Bro Tony]

No, my Bible, the Holy Bible AV1611 KJB (yes, with SPELLING and grammer NOT DOCTRINAL revisions through 1769) says that I am SAVED! And by the Morning Star Jesus Christ, not Lucifer.

Still waiting for one example of my NKJV changing any doctrine found in the KJV or the manuscripts.

Bro Tony

 

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by PhatCat:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by David J:
I don’t want a bunch of Scriptures concerning the preservation of the Scriptures because these Scriptures can be applied to any faithful translation of the bible.

This is like saying "Show me the truth about someone going to hell without Jesus, but I don't want a bunch of Scriptures concerning sin because that can be applied to any thing you do."

Since I cannot lead anyone to the Lord who does not believe the Scriptures given, then I cannot show someone the truth about the KJB who does not believe the Scriptures given.

It'll just have to be the Holy Spirit, just like it was for me, or else nothing.

Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.


How many times does God have to say it before it's true?

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Confusion (example):
Isaiah 14:12 KJB- Lucifer (referring to Satan)
Isaiah 14:12 NIV(and most MVs)- morning star (which is another name for Jesus)
II Corinthians 2:15 KJB- are saved (finished work)
II Corinthians 2:15 NIV (and most MVs)- are being saved (works)
So which is it? Are you saved or being saved? If being, then how far along are you? 50%, 75%, 99%? How much before you can "get in"?

No, my Bible, the Holy Bible AV1611 KJB (yes, with SPELLING and grammer NOT DOCTRINAL revisions through 1769) says that I am SAVED! And by the Morning Star Jesus Christ, not Lucifer.

Those with baked clay hearts will not even care about this.

Good day.

</font>[/QUOTE]Amen I just wish I could get the entire AV 1611 with Apocrypha and all we are loosing that old time religion and thats all I want, not this new Stuff,this "feel good" stuff lets "hug a tree" stuff! All the MV's readers do is Grumble on a Mon. on a Tue. on a Wed.Grumble on a Thur too, .,Grumble on a Friday,Saturday,Sunday Grumble All the week thru!

 

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by Bro Tony:
Biblical faith is trusting in not coming up with an extra-biblical belief such as KJVOism and saying it is true because one has faith it is true. That kind of faith is based in man's opinion not faith in the biblical text. No where in the KJV, or if you prefer the KJB does it say that it is the only inspired english version of the Bible. It is time to callwhat it is---an extra-biblical man centered religion. I love the KJV, but I cannot stomach anyone from any group adding to the Scripture what is not there. It is a shame that those who do refuse to see what they are doing. With the same warning they give others about adding to the Scripture they condemn themselves. And that is truly sad.

Bro Tony

KJVOism is not God's Word the KJB IS Gods Word!

 

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by Bro Tony:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> No, my Bible, the Holy Bible AV1611 KJB (yes, with SPELLING and grammer NOT DOCTRINAL revisions through 1769) says that I am SAVED! And by the Morning Star Jesus Christ, not Lucifer.

Still waiting for one example of my NKJV changing any doctrine found in the KJV or the manuscripts.

Bro Tony </font>[/QUOTE]2 Timohty 2:15

 

[Askjo]

Originally posted by Bro Tony:
For there to be a MVOism you would have to prove that there are those who reject the KJV---I have been here for over two years now and have never heard anyone reject the KJV as being God's Word. Maybe you can point that person out who has and provide a direct quote from them as not to slander them.

Bro Tony

You forget one sentence what most MVOists always SAID: "The KJV has 'ERRORS'." That is why these lax translators produced their "NEW" Bibles -- Modern Versions! When they produced them, this is very obvious to show that they REJECTED the KJV, but they always DENIED that they "reject" the KJV. If they did NOT reject the KJV, they would NOT produce modern versions. Please do not forget that the Roman Catholic system LOVES modern versions AGASINST the KJV.

 

[Askjo]

PhatCat, excellent comment! I second that. Amen!!!

 

[Bro Tony]

William,

Once again no answer the NKJV does not change any doctrines in 2 Timothy 2: 15 simply because you dont like "be diligent" rather than "study". Again, no doctrine changed.

Secondly, I agree the KJV or KJB if you prefer is the Word of God, I never said different. Try reading what I said a little closer, that way you won't mis-quote me. I said that KJVOism is not a biblical teaching and that believing in KJVOism is not biblical faith. BTW--not only is the KJV the Word of God, but so is the NKJV, NIV, NASB, ESV...

Bro Tony

 

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by Bro Tony:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Stick with tradition and stay away from the teachings of man[personal attacks by naming members deleted!] all of you I have "Marked" with a Big Sharpie! As the Word tells me to do!

William,

Is this an attack on their salvation or their walk in the Lord? If so you have just violated the BB rules that you agreed to abide by. I guess you are having trouble letting your
Bro Tony </font>[/QUOTE]Well they are men and they are teaching False Doctorines if they are teching from [attacks on named Modern Versions removed] and the new Gender friedly what ever it is! As far my
"yeah be your Yeah" there are also nays and those folks are a big Nay in My book! They have said things that are completly un true and have tried to Slander my good name! Read the post!It Dosent matter what I beleive in the scriptures are Above us All but to try and get some one to beleive you by spreading Falsehoods are a complete disgrace! The AV 1611 is the proof that you asked for read and learn from it all you need is the WORD!

[William you have been warned again and again about slandering Bibles. You have also been warned about questioning the salvation of those who don't believe you unbiblical doctrine. This will NOT be tolerated and if you insist on continuing you will not be allowed to continue to post. These are BB RULES, not mine and if you cannot abide by the owner of the BB's rules then you will not be allowed to post on HIS board. It is simple as that. You had better get with the program or there will be no more program for you. It is getting tired of editing your rule-breaking.]

[ May 11, 2006, 12:09 AM: Message edited by: Phillip ]

 

[Bro Tony]

Askjo,

Don't change what I said, re-read it and respond. Again, in two years here no one has ever stated that the KJV is not God's Word, but several times, including you, the KJVOist have slandered the MV's by stating they were not God's Word.

Bro Tony

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by william s. correa:
2 Timohty 2:15

There is no such verse.

 

[DeclareHim]

Originally posted by Askjo:
If they did NOT reject the KJV, they would NOT produce modern versions. Please do not forget that the Roman Catholic system LOVES modern versions AGASINST the KJV.

Please tell me your not actually serious.

False the Catholics I know would use a 1611 over the NIV because the 1611 would contain the apocrypha from which they get many of thier false teachings.

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Bro Tony:
Askjo,

Don't change what I said, re-read it and respond. Again, in two years here no one has ever stated that the KJV is not God's Word, but several times, including you, the KJVOist have slandered the MV's by stating they were not God's Word.

Bro Tony

God calls slander and libel a lie. He calls those who do such things a liar.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

NKJ 2 Timothy 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

We are not to be diligent to present ourself approved, but rather Study to show ourself approved unto God. The NKJV implies there is something man can do outside of studying the Word to please God by changing the word 'study' to 'be diligent'. One can be diligent in many things.


But unto Cain and his sacrifice, God had not respect.

 

[Bro Tony]

DeclareHim,

Now don't come in here and confuse Askjo with facts.

Bro Tony

 

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by gb93433:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by william s. correa:
2 Timohty 2:15

There is no such verse. </font>[/QUOTE]Sorry 2 Timothy 2 :15 the Only place the Bible tells us to "Study to show thyself approved unto God a Workman that needeth not to be ashamed rightly deviding the word of truth"

 

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by standingfirminChrist:
NKJ 2 Timothy 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

We are not to be diligent to present ourself approved, but rather Study to show ourself approved unto God. The NKJV implies there is something man can do outside of studying the Word to please God by changing the word 'study' to 'be diligent'. One can be diligent in many things.


But unto Cain and his sacrifice, God had not respect.

Amen

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by PhatCat:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by David J:
I don’t want a bunch of Scriptures concerning the preservation of the Scriptures because these Scriptures can be applied to any faithful translation of the bible.

This is like saying "Show me the truth about someone going to hell without Jesus, but I don't want a bunch of Scriptures concerning sin because that can be applied to any thing you do."</font>[/QUOTE] No it isn't. The scriptures explicitly teach that the lost will go to hell. It names the place. Describes it. And gives the characteristics of one who will go there.

A skeptic can deny that it is true... but to deny that the Bible teaches that the lost go to hell because of sin is to deny the meanings of words.

The Bible doesn't say nor imply anywhere that the KJV is perfectly worded.

Since I cannot lead anyone to the Lord who does not believe the Scriptures given, then I cannot show someone the truth about the KJB who does not believe the Scriptures given.

False argument. We believe the scriptures given. We simply do not believe the KJVO conjecture, expansion,... the writing between the lines if you will... that says that these scriptures apply to the KJV alone.

It'll just have to be the Holy Spirit, just like it was for me, or else nothing.

KJVOnlyism is not based in scripture. To claim that the Holy Spirit gave you a truth not found in scripture is to claim latter day revelation... that you are the object of direct divine inspiration.

How many times does God have to say it before it's true?

Once... And nowhere does He say what KJVO's believe.

Confusion (example):
Isaiah 14:12 KJB- Lucifer (referring to Satan)
Isaiah 14:12 NIV(and most MVs)- morning star (which is another name for Jesus)

Without even addressing the fallacies of this argument that have been demonstrated repeatedly... note that you say "most MVs yet you condemn all.

So which is it? Are you saved or being saved?

Both and then some. I have been redeemed. I am being sanctified. I will be glorified.

All three are aspects of salvation.