Originally posted by TheOliveBranch:
[QB. . . ]For being new, you sure have a knack for the typical. If these are not true, it will be soon. And if there are liberal theologians writing this garbage, why would a conservative want to waste time reading it? If you want proof, find it. Why do the liberals always expect the conservatives to do the leg work. They never believe us anyway, and when the prooftexts from the Bible are used to back up why it is wrong, liberals say that the Bible is in error. Murph, you are right. A decent discussion is impossible because so much webspace is wasted on liberal opinion.[/QB]
Hi, OliveBranch. A curious reply. If not true now, why the certainty that it is, and if it will be soon, on what basis is such asserted, and any ideas on when? Perhaps 10:48:37 AM, September 5 on any idea that one has disagreement?
Wouldn't one suggest that ' [written] garbage' is an evaluation that is based on a reading of something? All I have done is ask that those stating such opinions provide me (us) with where this 'written garbage' can be found and where in this garbage one advocates drunkeness, fornication, adultry, and a wide range of ungodly beliefs. But if conservatives are not reading this garbage, how are conservatives aware that 'it' is garbage? Don't judge a book by its cover unless it smells bad (an aside: and the best I can tell, according to Maverick's scale of who has truth and who does not, he allows that some conservatives and some fundies do not have the truth, or perhaps do not have the truth like an inner realm [?] of some conservatives and some fundies; thus what is to distinguish the former from the hated [?, "take no prisoners"] libera)? Again, is this about some fundies and some conservatives but all liberals missing the truth, however the miss is not quite as much for said fundies and conservatives?)? You see, OliveBranch, I am only trying to understand what some are saying and if there is any sense to it.
Those not considering themselves fundamentalist or conservative may come to agree with fundamentalists or conservatives on some issues, perhaps not, but holding that they will not is thin reasoning for failure to adequately support assertions that seek to marginalize another individual or group of individuals. If proof must be found, does it not assert that you have not found it, but are maintaining that it is there, nonethless, or perhaps you have found it and for some reason refuse to share where it can be found and what is objectionable about it? And if you perceive that such garbage is a waste of time and detracts from the cause of Christ, would you not wish to share what these writings are and why, so that others might avoid being suckered in by decitful, sweet-smelling covers? I don't assume, presumably, non-conservatives wish you to do their leg-work, however, but is it reasonable that you or others share your leg-work for stated assertions that marginalize people, assuming, of course, that leg-work has been conducted?
Could it be that differences of opinion are not due to perceived errors in scripture, but to honest interpretative differences? Do all conservatives and fundamentalists believe scripture in the same ways or is diversity of opinion the priviledge of a few or a select grouping of Christians, say, Maverick's category 7 and 8?
Does liberal, I assume this is how I am being perceived, opinion operate by a different set of logical principles than, say, conservative of fundamentalist opinion? Seems to me that 2+2 is the same for both, yea, the same for the pagan, too. I could be wrong, however? Thus, I think it behooves us that when we disparage another, along with the evaluation, rationale/support for said descriptives is in order? So I ask again, who are these biblical scholars and theologians that advocate divorce, abortion, drunkeness, fornication, adultry, and a wide range of ungodly beliefs? I will grant your argument that there are such that find scriptural support for a committed homosexual relationship. However, my comment concerns the vast left-wing, liberal Christian gaggle of immorality done in the name of love.
