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If you are a Five point Calvinist.

1689Dave

Well-Known Member
Here it is in a nutshell.

"Universal atonement" = faith comes first, salvation follows.

"Limited atonement" salvation comes first, faith follows.
 

37818

Well-Known Member
UNBIBLICAL RUBBISH! How many times I have shown from John 3:16-18, and other passages, that this is no more than "reformed, unbiblical, theology", without ANY Bible support!
Do five point Calvinists believe that or not? Do you what to correct them or attack them?
The question.
How did you discover Christ died for you? [Since Christ only died for those whom He is to save.]
This is for the five point Calvinists to answer.
 

agedman

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how did you know Jesus Came for your sins? How can you know that you are one of the elect? This is theological nonsense!
I didn’t know He came for sins!
I read He came down, He came and took, He came and stood, He came out, He came and told,…

But does the Scripture state Jesus came for our sins?
 

SavedByGrace

Well-Known Member
I didn’t know He came for sins!
I read He came down, He came and took, He came and stood, He came out, He came and told,…

But does the Scripture state Jesus came for our sins?

The New Testament is full of verses that teach Jesus came into the world to save sinners
 

AustinC

Well-Known Member
how did you know Jesus Came for your sins? How can you know that you are one of the elect? This is theological nonsense!
John 10:3 The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.

Tell us about this theological non-sense of which you complain.
 

AustinC

Well-Known Member
How do you know for sure, 100%
Romans 8:16-17 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.
 

SavedByGrace

Well-Known Member
John 10:3 The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.

Yes, God, we ask you to open our eyes and our ears.

Did God speak to you and say that you are Mine?

The verse that you keep misquoting is Jesus talking to His Disciples after they were saved
 

SavedByGrace

Well-Known Member
Romans 8:16-17 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.

So it is by feeling?
 

Dave G

Well-Known Member
Yeah, like where and how?
I've shown you, SBG...
Many times.
You could be mistaken
I was mistaken in believing what I was taught in Independent Baptist churches growing up, my friend...
It was basically a system of "how to get saved", and it involved the "Romans Road" and a select list of very persuasively delivered ( and often times out-of-context ) bits and pieces of His word.
 

SavedByGrace

Well-Known Member
I've shown you, SBG...
Many times.

I was mistaken in believing what I was taught in Independent Baptist churches growing up, my friend...
It was basically a system of "how to get saved", and it involved the "Romans Road" and a select list of very persuasively delivered ( and often times out-of-context ) bits and pieces of His word.

You are describing the reformed/Calvinist way...
 
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