If you are a Five point Calvinist.

[Yeshua1]

Here it is in a nutshell.

"Universal atonement" = faith comes first, salvation follows.

"Limited atonement" salvation comes first, faith follows.

Or
Election, regeneration, faith, saved
faith, regenerated, saved, election

 

[Yeshua1]

how did you know Jesus Came for your sins? How can you know that you are one of the elect? This is theological nonsense!

By becoming saved and trusting in the Lord Jesus!

 

[Yeshua1]

Did God speak to you and say that you are Mine?

The verse that you keep misquoting is Jesus talking to His Disciples after they were saved

Jesus Chose the Apostles, as they did not first choose Him!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Jesus Chose the Apostles, as they did not first choose Him!

He also chose Judas remember

 

[AustinC]

So it is by feeling?

Study Romans 8 and 9. It's all right there. Paul gives us the answer. Do you believe Paul is telling you and me the truth?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Study Romans 8 and 9. It's all right there. Paul gives us the answer. Do you believe Paul is telling you and me the truth?

Truth can be understood in more than one way

 

[AustinC]

Did God speak to you and say that you are Mine?

The verse that you keep misquoting is Jesus talking to His Disciples after they were saved

Yes. Do you not hear his voice everytime you read his word, sbg?
Do you not hear him when he says to come? Do you not hear himwhen he says he will never leave you nor forsake you? Do you not hear when he tells us he is the founder of our faith?
Do you not hear him, sbg? I hear him when I open his word. The Holy Spirit confirms this when I read his word and my heart is moved to worship in confession. Do you not hear his voice, sbg?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Yes. Do you not hear his voice everytime you read his word, sbg?
Do you not hear him when he says to come? Do you not hear himwhen he says he will never leave you nor forsake you? Do you not hear when he tells us he is the founder of our faith?
Do you not hear him, sbg? I hear him when I open his word. The Holy Spirit confirms this when I read his word and my heart is moved to worship in confession. Do you not hear his voice, sbg?

All of this is true after we are saved

 

[Dave G]

You are describing the reformed/Calvinist way...

I wouldn't know, as I was never exposed to that "way", nor was I ever taught those doctrines by anyone.

 

[AustinC]

Truth can be understood in more than one way

Only God's way is truth. I do not promote relitivism. Our task is to observe God's truth and accept it no matter how much our flesh fights against it.

 

[AustinC]

All of this is true after we are saved

Dead men cannot hear unless God calls their name. "Lazerus come forth."

 

[Dave G]

The Bible reference you have in mind?

Many.
They have been listed before, my friend.

And you believe Jesus only died for the sins for whom He paid?

I hold that Jesus Christ died for all the sins of all of those for whom He died.
He did not make appeasement to God for the sins of anyone who was not given to Him by his Father, or God's wrath would not abide on anyone, neither would there be anyone in Hell right now or in the Lake of Fire after the Judgement.

 

[AustinC]

He also chose Judas remember

Jesus tells us that Judas was chosen to do exactly what he did. He was created the son of perdition. Read Romans 9 again and see the authority God has to make vessels of wrath for destruction.

 

[Dave G]

He also chose Judas remember

" Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve." ( John 6:70-71 ).

" While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled." ( John 17:12 ).

 

[Dave G]

Truth can be understood in more than one way

There is no such thing as truth being understood in more than one way, SBG.
There is truth, and there is a lie...light and dark, day and night.

They are as far from each other as east is from west, as God is from sin and unrighteousness.

 

[37818]

Many

All references teach He. died for all.
Such as 2 Corinthians 5:14, ". . . we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: . . ." But everyone for whom He did do not live for Him. John 3:18.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Have not I chosen you twelve

Judas was still CHOSEN as much as the other 11 were! This is a fact.

 

[SavedByGrace]

There is no such thing as truth being understood in more than one way, SBG.
There is truth, and there is a lie...light and dark, day and night.

They are as far from each other as east is from west, as God is from sin and unrighteousness.

The reformed/calvinistic see "Truth" their own way, which is not what the Bible says, especially on salvation. Others disagree with this. so there are other ways to understand "Truth".

 

[Iconoclast]

Yeah, like where and how? You could be mistaken

jn3:15-36

 

[Dave G]

Judas was still CHOSEN as much as the other 11 were! This is a fact.

Amen.

While the 11 were chosen to be the Lord's disciples and they were given to Him by His Father to be saved ( John 17:2 ), Judas was instead given to the Lord ( and was chosen by Him ) to fulfill the Scriptures as Psalms 41:9 says.