IF You Hold To Sign Gifts Operating, what verse/Function?

[Amy.G]

....the devil used this same tactic on Jesus during His 40 day fast in the desert when he told Jesus to turn the stones to bread and eat them, or to jump off the moutain, knowing God would keep Him from dashing so much as a toe, as the angels would come to protect Him.

Be careful of how you speak when you make a point, as it can across as something not God sent! I, for one, can't believe you resorted to this form of argument.

I was not the one who brought up this verse. It was Gershom. Take up your satanic accusation with him.

 

[Amy.G]

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I once didn't believe in the gifts of prophecy, but having been subjected to the ministry of a prophet, and seeing, over time, how the words of the Father have come to pass; I can no longer judge those caught up in and practicing these gifts as working out of "pure emotion!"

Are you a prophet?

Finally, while I pray in a special prayer language, I am careful to not offend those who don't or those who question its existance altogether. My prayer language is for God and myself, not for anyone else, and it only manifests itself on certain ocassions, and I do not know when it will surface, which means I can't make it happen without Him.

Where does scripture teach of a "prayer language"?

 

[Benjamin]

I'd just like to add that I’ve noted a resemblance in people claiming to see a type of sign and wonders as has been expressed here, or having received a gift from God to that of Iconoclast’s proclamations that he is gifted to interpret the scriptures correctly to fit his doctrines; he even has the gall to take this as far as to be condescending to others while often declaring that they cannot see this/his “truth” because God has not shown it to them, …just how exactly is Icon’s claim of special enlightenment and “truth”, which he insists is verified because of coming from “the” Church under the authority of how he sees the 1689 LBC’s interpretations of the scriptures and which he claims to be in agreement with supposed to being any more credible?

Is Icon a prophet?

 

[righteousdude2]

The Great Inquistion Begins?

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I once didn't believe in the gifts of prophecy, but having been subjected to the ministry of a prophet, and seeing, over time, how the words of the Father have come to pass; I can no longer judge those caught up in and practicing these gifts as working out of "pure emotion!"

Are you a prophet? 1 Corinthians 14:4 (AMP) "but he who prophesies [[a]interpreting the divine will and purpose and teaching with inspiration] edifies and improves the church and promotes growth [in Christian wisdom, piety, holiness, and happiness]."

As I said, those who preach operate in a spirit of discernment and prophecy, which is needed if a pastor/preacher is supposed to know the needs of the flock and how to address those needs in order to nurture and feed the flock. So, in that sense, Amy, I guess you would say I have the gift of prophecy, but so would your pastor if in fact they are able and qualified to meet the needs of those in your church.

So, you tell me. Is your pastor able to see the needs of the body (discerment)? And are they able to feed you folks adequately (prophecy)?


Where does scripture teach of a "prayer language"?

Romans 8:26 (AMP) "So too the [Holy] Spirit comes to our aid and bears us up in our weakness; for we do not know what prayer to offer nor how to offer it worthily as we ought, but the Spirit Himself goes to meet our supplication and pleads in our behalf with unspeakable yearnings and groanings too deep for utterance."

To answer your question. Yes, we all have the Holy Spirit, who intervenes for us in a language that is understood only by God, as mentioned in the above verse.

Also, even though it edifies yourself, we can have a prayer language, as mentioned here:
1 Corinthians 14:4 (AMP) "He who speaks in a [strange] tongue edifies and improves himself, but he who prophesies [[a]interpreting the divine will and purpose and teaching with inspiration] edifies and improves the church and promotes growth [in Christian wisdom, piety, holiness, and happiness]."

In closing, Amy, because I am filled with the Holy Ghost (like you), and that means I am capable of speaking in the very same language (when I pray) that the Holy Ghost uses to take my utterances, groans, and words to God.

 

[righteousdude2]

To Answer that...

Is Icon a prophet?

...it would appear, that he is setting himself up to be just that. And no one can argue against his truths, because he will always be right.

You have brought up some good points on this brothers attempt to be the one and only AUTHORITY when it comes to the Scriptures. So, I guess I'll have to wait until I get to heaven to see how much of what he proclaims down here to be right and in accordance with God, and just how wrong I've been, in accordance to his understandings of what I put forth as my understandings. I just wish I could be so knowledgable. I guess if I went along with all he says, I could live out my life in peace, knowing that Icon approves and puts his stamp of righteousness on my my repeating his truths, word-for-word. In that case, if I want to be right on, so to speak, I should be a mimic, or parrot of Icon.

 

[Gershom]

I was not the one who brought up this verse. It was Gershom. Take up your satanic accusation with him.

I guess you missed the whole point. I brought it up to show that you shouldn't do what the devil did with the Lord when he questioned Him in the wilderness.

 

[Iconoclast]

...it would appear, that he is setting himself up to be just that. And no one can argue against his truths, because he will always be right.

You have brought up some good points on this brothers attempt to be the one and only AUTHORITY when it comes to the Scriptures. So, I guess I'll have to wait until I get to heaven to see how much of what he proclaims down here to be right and in accordance with God, and just how wrong I've been, in accordance to his understandings of what I put forth as my understandings. I just wish I could be so knowledgable. I guess if I went along with all he says, I could live out my life in peace, knowing that Icon approves and puts his stamp of righteousness on my my repeating his truths, word-for-word. In that case, if I want to be right on, so to speak, I should be a mimic, or parrot of Icon.

Dude...you cannot answer scripturally...so you join a kindred spirit Benjamin in personal attacks. Most every false teacher does this when they are called to account. You are not fooling me...I know where you are coming from..lol
maybe i am a prohet:laugh:
You and benjamin cannot respond to the scriptures...so you move away from them to attack me. Your"attack " is lame...but if it makes you happy,enjoy yourself by all means.

You have brought up some good points on this brothers attempt to be the one and only AUTHORITY when it comes to the Scriptures

Can you show where i say such a thing? no? I did not think so.... You refer to me as a brother here??? dude...you accused me of being swine yesterday??? and in your Pm...more of the same.....Dude be honest.....you do not think of me as a brother...and with your continued attacks on my person ...you are showing yourself to be as an accuser of the brethren.
I do not have a problem with it dude...just be honest...We do not agree as christian brothers do...with some differences.
You are posting non-baptist teaching in a baptist forum.That is the nature of the dispute. You are free in America to post such ideas...just keep in mind; If you post in sincerity and are mistaken,that will be known in time.I know that all liars will be cast away at the white throne judgement...so my concern would be that you are not found there dude....inventing stories,and boasting of false gifts that are a lie.
How could I even suggest such a thing??? it has happened throughout redemptive history;

14I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.

15Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.

16Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
17They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

18For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?

sorry to confuse you with scripture dude and benjamin....but...maybe you cannot accuse me of writing this as my being authoritative...

Your posts and those like you remind me of jeremiahs conclusion...

21I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. 22But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.

I would like to think that is not the case dude...time and the devil will tell!
I am sure that i have much to learn, but when what I post matches the historic understanding of the church...based on God's word {i did not write, scripture , or the confessions}...but I can read those more gifted than most in here and offer verses that speak to the issues.
You , benjamin and others think you are so unique,and above it all...you are not open to teaching.or to admit your wrong...instead you go to anecedotal stories that contradict the word of God[maybe even write a book about it}...benjamin goes to philosphy,and his smug postings...which no one knows what he is talking about anyway by the time you look through it. Or he projects his own defiled thoughts on those who offer correction.


hey benjamin

to that of Iconoclast’s proclamations that he is gifted to interpret the scriptures correctly to fit his doctrines;

could you show me where i made any reference to being "gifted to interpret"..
This is where...no one in church history...no commentator, no teacher can reach the lofty heights where benjamin dwells....no only benjamin can comment upon himself....only benjamin knows.....
One thing you should know is that an inability to welcome Divine truth is the mark of someone outside the kingdom. To the measure I post truth,and you continue to resist it....to that degree you go into darkness.

:thumbs: hey, I know...maybe dude will move in the gifts, hook you up with his friend the prophet who prophesised over him years ago...and the two of you can post infallibly.....:wavey:

 

[Iconoclast]

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I once didn't believe in the gifts of prophecy, but having been subjected to the ministry of a prophet, and seeing, over time, how the words of the Father have come to pass; I can no longer judge those caught up in and practicing these gifts as working out of "pure emotion!"


Romans 8:26 (AMP) "So too the [Holy] Spirit comes to our aid and bears us up in our weakness; for we do not know what prayer to offer nor how to offer it worthily as we ought, but the Spirit Himself goes to meet our supplication and pleads in our behalf with unspeakable yearnings and groanings too deep for utterance."

To answer your question. Yes, we all have the Holy Spirit, who intervenes for us in a language that is understood only by God, as mentioned in the above verse.

Also, even though it edifies yourself, we can have a prayer language, as mentioned here:
1 Corinthians 14:4 (AMP) "He who speaks in a [strange] tongue edifies and improves himself, but he who prophesies [[a]interpreting the divine will and purpose and teaching with inspiration] edifies and improves the church and promotes growth [in Christian wisdom, piety, holiness, and happiness]."

In closing, Amy, because I am filled with the Holy Ghost (like you), and that means I am capable of speaking in the very same language (when I pray) that the Holy Ghost uses to take my utterances, groans, and words to God.

Every false teacher goes here.....

Romans 8:26 (AMP) "So too the [Holy] Spirit comes to our aid and bears us up in our weakness; for we do not know what prayer to offer nor how to offer it worthily as we ought, but the Spirit Himself goes to meet our supplication and pleads in our behalf with unspeakable yearnings and groanings too deep for utterance."

look it up dude.....the word is Alaleo....not a tongue...not a language...

groanings unutterable....not a secret prayer tongue:thumbs:
you have no idea what the verse teaches..but it fits your invention so you misuse it

Which cannot be uttered (ἀλαλήτοις)

This may mean either unutterable or unuttered

 

[righteousdude2]

Ouch!

You got me, dead to right. I give up...you are right, my theology is so full of holes it won't hold water, sort of like having screen door hatches on a nuclear submarine.

Thanks for the insight, brother :laugh: And please forgive me for making (personal) reference to you in my "casting pearls to the swine." At the time, it was appropriate, but it was still wrong, and I should never have stooped to your level...

I truly mean it when I refer to you as a brother, even though appear to be on different sides of the theological fence. However, clearly in your mind-of-minds, I am definitely the "black sheep!" of your holy family. :thumbs:

If you were a farmer, you'd surely get the award for being a "Man Outstanding in His Field!" :laugh: I'd vote for you to have this award because you are doing so much to grow the minds and hearts of others with the manure you throw around in the name your self-righteous understanding of the word being superior to any others on this board.

It must be nice to have your very own corner on the truth (as you see and proclaim it to be). Maybe the city (you reside in) should name a street corner in your honor: Iconoclast Blvd at Imnevawrong Street.

And to the remainder of those on this board, I apologize for being so sarcastic, but every so often, people like this brother frustrate me to the nth degree.

 

[righteousdude2]

Shame, Shame, He Knows Your Name!

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groanings unutterable....not a secret prayer tongue

red emphasis is mine

Quit adding words...I NEVER used the words "secret or tongues." So please quit adding words (you need to repent, if you know what that means?) raying:

I said that it is clearly a prayer language that only God can understand, spoken by the Holy Ghost to explain our deepest utterances and groanings, things we often can't put into words, but the Holy Ghost can understand (because He knows our inner, most deepest thoughts) and convey to the Fahter on our behalf.

And whether you agree with this or not, He even does it for you (oh my gosh, can it be true?) Your prayers are being taken to God in words He can better understand in order to meet your needs - both known/unknown and spoken/unspoken. Like it or not, IC, we have the same God; same Holy Ghost; and no matter how you want to explain away how things are done, in the supernatural realm of things, we are getting the same things accomplished, because we are both filled with the same Holy Ghost. :BangHead:

 

[righteousdude2]

Amy...

...I am truly sorry for putting that phrase on you. It was shared by another person, and when you put it in with your post, I mistook it as being from you.

My bad:wavey:

 

[Amy.G]

Dude, those aren't my words you're posting, but you can yell at me if you want if it makes you feel better. :laugh:

 

[Iconoclast]

You got me, dead to right. I give up...you are right, my theology is so full of holes it won't hold water, sort of like having screen door hatches on a nuclear submarine.

Thanks for the insight, brother :laugh: And please forgive me for making (personal) reference to you in my "casting pearls to the swine." At the time, it was appropriate, but it was still wrong, and I should never have stooped to your level...

I truly mean it when I refer to you as a brother, even though appear to be on different sides of the theological fence. However, clearly in your mind-of-minds, I am definitely the "black sheep!" of your holy family. :thumbs:

If you were a farmer, you'd surely get the award for being a "Man Outstanding in His Field!" :laugh: I'd vote for you to have this award because you are doing so much to grow the minds and hearts of others with the manure you throw around in the name your self-righteous understanding of the word being superior to any others on this board.

It must be nice to have your very own corner on the truth (as you see and proclaim it to be). Maybe the city (you reside in) should name a street corner in your honor: Iconoclast Blvd at Imnevawrong Street.

And to the remainder of those on this board, I apologize for being so sarcastic, but every so often, people like this brother frustrate me to the nth degree.

Dude, thank you for your kind words and tribute to me....they sort of speak for themself:wavey: Yes.....along with your view of scripture verses..what was it again...let me quote;

with the manure you throw around

I quote scripture and you see this...interesting

And to the remainder of those on this board, I apologize for being so sarcastic, but every so often, people like this brother frustrate me to the nth degree.

That is okay dude...it is therapeutic for you....let it all out...lol

 

[righteousdude2]

Correction...

I quote scripture

...you quote your version and YOUR understanding of Scripture failing to keep in mind that Scripture is not something one person can put in their own little box and call it correct, holy and of God. So sad that you are so in love with yourelf that you forgot to love your neighbor, along the way! raying:

 

[righteousdude2]

I was referring to...

Dude, those aren't my words you're posting, but you can yell at me if you want if it makes you feel better. :laugh:

...post #51, where I mistook something you wrote. The other is not directed at you. It was meant to Iconoclast. Again, if you were caught up in the whirlwind of emotions, I am truly sorry :applause:

 

[Iconoclast]

...you quote your version and YOUR understanding of Scripture failing to keep in mind that Scripture is not something one person can put in their own little box and call it correct, holy and of God. So sad that you are so in love with yourelf that you forgot to love your neighbor, along the way! raying:

Dude....let me ask you a question? Have you ever posted a wrong scripture on purpose? or when you offer an opinion and post it.....are you saying that you do not believe it is correct?
Look at what you just posted! Whose version am i going to post ???
Of course it is how I see it.
i love my heighbor in that when i see error, i do not leave my neighbor in it.

 

[righteousdude2]

You have yet to apologize for misquoting...

Dude....let me ask you a question? Have you ever posted a wrong scripture on purpose? or when you offer an opinion and post it.....are you saying that you do not believe it is correct?
Look at what you just posted! Whose version am i going to post ???
Of course it is how I see it.
i love my heighbor in that when i see error, i do not leave my neighbor in it.

....me, your neighbor, when you added the words secret tongues. But, let's just forget I caught you in an error, sin and stretching something to make me look wrong. Your MO is starting to show that with every finger you point at others, there are at least three (from your own hand) pointing right back at you.

 

[righteousdude2]

So correct...

i love my heighbor in that when i see error, i do not leave my neighbor in it.

You do not intend to leave your neighbor in their errors (per your mind of minds). No, you pan and intend to BURY them in what you proclaim to be an error according to the word of the iconoclast. Maybe you should write your very own version of the Bible, after all, we certainly could use ONE more version to clear up all the errors left by those who wrote the KJV. :laugh:

 

[Iconoclast]

....me, your neighbor, when you added the words secret tongues. But, let's just forget I caught you in an error, sin and stretching something to make me look wrong. Your MO is starting to show that with every finger you point at others, there are at least three (from your own hand) pointing right back at you.

Dude here is from your post#60...

Finally, while I pray in a special prayer language, I am careful to not offend those who don't or those who question its existance altogether. My prayer language is for God and myself, not for anyone else, and it only manifests itself on certain ocassions, and I do not know when it will surface, which means I can't make it happen without Him. __________________

Your "special prayer language"...which you do not know when it will surface
:laugh::laugh: the other false teachers who claim this special tongue...say it is a secret language that satan cannot understand...yeah right...no one understands it because it is just rhyming noises:laugh:

You do not intend to leave your neighbor in their errors (per your mind of minds). No, you pan and intend to BURY them in what you proclaim to be an error according to the word of the iconoclast

actually dude...it is according to scripture. I challenged you to show anything in scripture to back up your claim.....you had nothing...nothing whatsoever...so you want into your rampage of personal charges as you do now.....If you cannot stand the heat...stay out of the kitchen is what they say. Dude....did you claim that you are or were a Pastor???

for you dude;
Some understand praying in tongues to be a “secret code language” that prevents Satan and his demons from understanding our prayers and thereby gaining an advantage over us. This interpretation is unbiblical for the following reasons: 1) The New Testament consistently describes tongues as a human language. It is unlikely that Satan and his demons are unable to understand human languages. 2) The Bible records countless believers praying in their own language, out loud, with no concern of Satan intercepting the prayer. Even if Satan and/or his demons hear and understand the prayers we pray, they have absolutely no power to prevent God from answering the prayers according to His will. We know that God hears our prayers, and that fact makes it irrelevant whether Satan and his demons hear and understand our prayers.

 

[Iconoclast]

I did not see how you answered this???

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Dude....let me ask you a question? Have you ever posted a wrong scripture on purpose? or when you offer an opinion and post it.....are you saying that you do not believe it is correct?
Look at what you just posted! Whose version am i going to post ???
Of course it is how I see it.

You say this about me as if you or anyone else on here does not post what they believe, or when they offer a verse...they do not believe it is correct??