IF You Hold To Sign Gifts Operating, what verse/Function?

[righteousdude2]

What a Waste...

Dude here is from your post#60...


Your "special prayer language"...which you do not know when it will surface
:laugh::laugh: the other false teachers who claim this special tongue...say it is a secret language that satan cannot understand...yeah right...no one understands it because it is just rhyming noises:laugh:



actually dude...it is according to scripture. I challenged you to show anything in scripture to back up your claim.....you had nothing...nothing whatsoever...so you want into your rampage of personal charges as you do now.....If you cannot stand the heat...stay out of the kitchen is what they say. Dude....did you claim that you are or were a Pastor???

for you dude;
Some understand praying in tongues to be a “secret code language” that prevents Satan and his demons from understanding our prayers and thereby gaining an advantage over us. This interpretation is unbiblical for the following reasons: 1) The New Testament consistently describes tongues as a human language. It is unlikely that Satan and his demons are unable to understand human languages. 2) The Bible records countless believers praying in their own language, out loud, with no concern of Satan intercepting the prayer. Even if Satan and/or his demons hear and understand the prayers we pray, they have absolutely no power to prevent God from answering the prayers according to His will. We know that God hears our prayers, and that fact makes it irrelevant whether Satan and his demons hear and understand our prayers.

...of time and energy, on your behalf! You believe you are right, and you won't budge. So be it...:thumbs:

 

[righteousdude2]

Again...

Dude here is from your post#60...
Your "special prayer language"...which you do not know when it will surface
:laugh::laugh: the other false teachers who claim this special tongue...say it is a secret language that satan cannot understand...yeah right...no one understands it because it is just rhyming noises:laugh:

...You are misquoting me and replacing words (secret for special, and tongue for language). Not only are you twisting things to make your views seem right.

 

[righteousdude2]

I Am......

I did not see how you answered this???



You say this about me as if you or anyone else on here does not post what they believe, or when they offer a verse...they do not believe it is correct??

...finished arguing with you...I have left the kitchen. It is all yours, do with it as you will. No one can win when they are faced with the high-minded rants of a pompous religious zealot! Ichabod to you and your self-righteous views.

 

[righteousdude2]

There You Go Again...

I quote scripture and you see this...interesting

...twisting words and thoughts. I specifically called the views coming out of your narrow minded pipe line to God as being manure.

I'm sorry; I lied, earlier, when I said that would be my last words to you. I just can't let your brand of theology, and Christianity go unchecked (sounds a little familiar, doesn't it?)

The Word of God was never intended to be the point of my statement. I hold His Word in the highest regard. I hold your words, thoughts, views and attempt to leave others (who post their views on this board) looking like butchered beef, after being run through a grinder.

Your intent to make things right, and teach the person who has a view, opposite of yours, is nothing more than a facade. The truth is, you use this board to assassinate others, and then you gloat and look for another who you can try to impress to death with half-wit views coming from a box that is so small and narrow minded that God has become nothing but a speck of dust in your brand of theology.

I am not about to limit the God I serve by some theological understandings and self righteous views. If that is where you want to remain until you die, so be it. I, on the other hand, am willing to let God be God and do what He is good at and that is forever expanding and enhancing our understanding of His supernatural abilities and willingness to do those things that awed man since He create Adam and Eve.

I will never be small minded enough to put God in a box and try to convince others (as well as myself) that this is all that God can do, and that is because this is how I see and deem it to be.

There is NO substantial proof, nothing that is conclusive enough, to say that the sign gifts ended with the death of John. There have been miracles since that time, and will continue to be miracles and other signs that has God stamped all over it, and if you are so narrow-minded and narrow sighted that you wish to remain in the box you have placed your "god," than so be it.

However, trying to bully, or guilt trip other who think and believe differently than you with accusations of learning to TBN teachings, etc., will not cut it. Your arguments are flesh centered, and there is nothing to suggest that what I believe and how I see God working in my life, and the world around me is anything less than by His will.

I have not used this board to influence anyone else into believing as me. I have shared what I believe and straight from my heart, but, never have I argued that my way of living for Him is the ONLY way, and that someone with another pint of view has to believe as me, or they will burn in hell, or worse.

You, on the other hand, are so self-serving and pompous in your way of thinking and attacking others (by the name of the name of debating) that your arguments have become nothing less than excessive babbling, and self-proclaimed irritant to those around you. Your brand of theology and your mannerism have the hand print of the devil all over it. The days of "Thus sayeth iconoclast!" will one-day end, and your arguments of self-righteous indignation will fade like the dust that your body and mine are destined to become, and all that you have presented by the name of your own views will be forgotten? And to what purpose will your attempts to slander another serve? None!

I'd rather be sharing the Word with the world. I have NEVER taught or pushed anyone, in my life, the need to believe as I do (including how I believe about the signs and gifts He gives). I fully believe that God is more than competent and more properly equipped to teach others about the finer things in following Him, so I leave that up to God (something you should consider doing). The only thing I have ever held up before others Jesus and his death for our sin on the cross, and the need to be born-again.

You and I are on the same team; it's just a shame that you want everyone to believe as you believe; walk as you walk; talk as you talk; think as you think; speak as you speak; etc., You want a bunch of "rubber-stamped iconoclasts" walking this earth, speaking and thinking like you. And when you see someone not in line with your theology, you get all over them like ugly on ugly, and you try to beat them into submission through your superior understanding (not necessarily superior in our way of thinking) of the Bible, according to YOU!

You need to have the following stamped on the inside of your eyeballs: The truths, according to God, may be little different than it appears to be in your way of seeing things! :wavey:

And in closing, I put this in the size of print needed to make sure you can clearly see that what you believe, preach, and teach means absolutely nothing to me. So read the following, because it comes from the heart of my theology:
I don't need you to validate my views to know that "I love my life in Jesus Christ!"

 

[gb93433]

except sign gifts NO longer needed, as no more forthcoming revelations from God!

Do you practice James 1:5?

 

[plain_n_simple]

...twisting words and thoughts. I specifically called the views coming out of your narrow minded pipe line to God as being manure.

I'm sorry; I lied, earlier, when I said that would be my last words to you. I just can't let your brand of theology, and Christianity go unchecked (sounds a little familiar, doesn't it?)

The Word of God was never intended to be the point of my statement. I hold His Word in the highest regard. I hold your words, thoughts, views and attempt to leave others (who post their views on this board) looking like butchered beef, after being run through a grinder.

Your intent to make things right, and teach the person who has a view, opposite of yours, is nothing more than a facade. The truth is, you use this board to assassinate others, and then you gloat and look for another who you can try to impress to death with half-wit views coming from a box that is so small and narrow minded that God has become nothing but a speck of dust in your brand of theology.

I am not about to limit the God I serve by some theological understandings and self righteous views. If that is where you want to remain until you die, so be it. I, on the other hand, am willing to let God be God and do what He is good at and that is forever expanding and enhancing our understanding of His supernatural abilities and willingness to do those things that awed man since He create Adam and Eve.

I will never be small minded enough to put God in a box and try to convince others (as well as myself) that this is all that God can do, and that is because this is how I see and deem it to be.

There is NO substantial proof, nothing that is conclusive enough, to say that the sign gifts ended with the death of John. There have been miracles since that time, and will continue to be miracles and other signs that has God stamped all over it, and if you are so narrow-minded and narrow sighted that you wish to remain in the box you have placed your "god," than so be it.

However, trying to bully, or guilt trip other who think and believe differently than you with accusations of learning to TBN teachings, etc., will not cut it. Your arguments are flesh centered, and there is nothing to suggest that what I believe and how I see God working in my life, and the world around me is anything less than by His will.

I have not used this board to influence anyone else into believing as me. I have shared what I believe and straight from my heart, but, never have I argued that my way of living for Him is the ONLY way, and that someone with another pint of view has to believe as me, or they will burn in hell, or worse.

You, on the other hand, are so self-serving and pompous in your way of thinking and attacking others (by the name of the name of debating) that your arguments have become nothing less than excessive babbling, and self-proclaimed irritant to those around you. Your brand of theology and your mannerism have the hand print of the devil all over it. The days of "Thus sayeth iconoclast!" will one-day end, and your arguments of self-righteous indignation will fade like the dust that your body and mine are destined to become, and all that you have presented by the name of your own views will be forgotten? And to what purpose will your attempts to slander another serve? None!

I'd rather be sharing the Word with the world. I have NEVER taught or pushed anyone, in my life, the need to believe as I do (including how I believe about the signs and gifts He gives). I fully believe that God is more than competent and more properly equipped to teach others about the finer things in following Him, so I leave that up to God (something you should consider doing). The only thing I have ever held up before others Jesus and his death for our sin on the cross, and the need to be born-again.

You and I are on the same team; it's just a shame that you want everyone to believe as you believe; walk as you walk; talk as you talk; think as you think; speak as you speak; etc., You want a bunch of "rubber-stamped iconoclasts" walking this earth, speaking and thinking like you. And when you see someone not in line with your theology, you get all over them like ugly on ugly, and you try to beat them into submission through your superior understanding (not necessarily superior in our way of thinking) of the Bible, according to YOU!

You need to have the following stamped on the inside of your eyeballs: The truths, according to God, may be little different than it appears to be in your way of seeing things! :wavey:

And in closing, I put this in the size of print needed to make sure you can clearly see that what you believe, preach, and teach means absolutely nothing to me. So read the following, because it comes from the heart of my theology:
I don't need you to validate my views to know that "I love my life in Jesus Christ!"

Wow, now that's a post!

 

[Iconoclast]

...You are misquoting me and replacing words (secret for special, and tongue for language). Not only are you twisting things to make your views seem right.

Hey Dude....here is a clue......tongue= language....you do not get the correct teaching right, you even muff up on the false teaching:thumbsup:

I called you on your false teaching. No biblical response[you cannot,so i understand your frustration]

I asked you two or three times to answer a question you raised to
me.
What do you post, or what verse do you offer that you believe is in error?
No answer...I asked again...no answer....

Your accusation was that I post what i believe to be TRUTH. Yes...i would not post unless i was posting what I believe is truth.....so again dude...do you post what you believe is truth???? If you do ,then stop being a hypocrite and claiming i am a BB pope.. I will continue to post truth ,and links to truth , and call into question anything I believe departs from truth...like your posts when the error is clear and non baptist doctrine.

So I asked you to respond about your posting and then instead of answering directly a simple question you have launched a series of emotionally unstable rants while claiming to be a brother

here is your edifying posts:

I specifically called the views coming out of your narrow minded pipe line to God as being manure.
I just can't let your brand of theology, and Christianity go unchecked (sounds a little familiar, doesn't it?)
hold your words, thoughts, views and attempt to leave others (who post their views on this board) looking like butchered beef, after being run through a grinder.
Your intent to make things right, and teach the person who has a view, opposite of yours, is nothing more than a facade. The truth is, you use this board to assassinate others, and then you gloat and look for another who you can try to impress to death with half-wit views coming from a box that is so small and narrow minded that God has become nothing but a speck of dust in your brand of theology.
self righteous views trying to bully, or guilt trip other

Your arguments are flesh centered, and
so self-serving and pompous
your arguments have become nothing less than excessive babbling
self-proclaimed irritant to those around you.

self-righteous indignation your attempts to slander


What is very interesting is you say this first:

and if you are so narrow-minded and narrow sighted that you wish to remain in the box you have placed your "god," than so be it

Dude...this looks like an admission on your part, that you believe I worship a different God[ you used the small g...for a false god]....then you say this:

You and I are on the same team

really.....:laugh:

This looks like evidence of a psychotic break with reality.....take your blood pressure meds, and compose yourself dude.
DUDE.....Get well soon:thumbsup:

 

[Iconoclast]

...You are misquoting me and replacing words (secret for special, and tongue for language). Not only are you twisting things to make your views seem right.

Hey Dude....here is a clue......tongue= language....you do not get the correct teaching right, you even muff up on the false teaching:thumbsup:

I called you on your false teaching. No biblical response[you cannot,so i understand your frustration]

I asked you two or three times to answer a question you raised to
me.
What do you post, or what verse do you offer that you believe is in error?
No answer...I asked again...no answer....

Your accusation was that I post what i believe to be TRUTH. Yes...i would not post unless i was posting what I believe is truth.....so again dude...do you post what you believe is truth???? If you do ,then stop being a hypocrite and claiming i am a BB pope..
I will continue to post truth ,and links to truth , and call into question anything I believe departs from truth...like your posts when the error is clear and non baptist doctrine.

So I asked you to respond about your posting and then instead of answering directly a simple question you have launched a series of emotionally unstable rants while claiming to be a brother

here is your edifying posts:

I specifically called the views coming out of your narrow minded pipe line to God as being manure.
I just can't let your brand of theology, and Christianity go unchecked (sounds a little familiar, doesn't it?)
hold your words, thoughts, views and attempt to leave others (who post their views on this board) looking like butchered beef, after being run through a grinder.
Your intent to make things right, and teach the person who has a view, opposite of yours, is nothing more than a facade. The truth is, you use this board to assassinate others, and then you gloat and look for another who you can try to impress to death with half-wit views coming from a box that is so small and narrow minded that God has become nothing but a speck of dust in your brand of theology.
self righteous views trying to bully, or guilt trip other

Your arguments are flesh centered, and
so self-serving and pompous
your arguments have become nothing less than excessive babbling
self-proclaimed irritant to those around you.

self-righteous indignation your attempts to slander


What is very interesting is you say this first:

and if you are so narrow-minded and narrow sighted that you wish to remain in the box you have placed your "god," than so be it

Dude...this looks like an admission on your part, that you believe I worship a different God[ you used the small g...for a false god]....then you say this:

You and I are on the same team

really.....:laugh:

This looks like evidence of a psychotic break with reality.....take your blood pressure meds, and compose yourself dude.
DUDE.....Get well soon:thumbsup:

 

[righteousdude2]

Very Funny...

This looks like evidence of a psychotic break with reality.....take your blood pressure meds, and compose yourself dude.
DUDE.....Get well soon

....let me see if I am reading you right?. You've gone from wearing the hat of self-righteous KNOW-IT-ALL; to THEOLOGIAN-OF-THE-MONTH; to the Baptist Board Butcher; to duplicitous debater; and now to psychologist extraordinnaire! Wow. It takes a big head to wear so many hats at one timare da man to pull it off!!! :thumbsup:

Have a happy forever, because your type of personality; your type of religion; your type of theology; your type of debating tactics is nothing that any one who goes by the name of christian would want to be related to. Every time you come back at me, it is filled with trivial, waterdowned excuses for what you deem to be the truth, and only the truth, so help you God. But your version of the truth is so shallow that the only ones who will get on your bandwagon are persons who you have beat into submission with your brand of theologocial debate. These followers of yours have no where to look, but up, because you've beaten them so low, you are now their spiritual Gigantaur. Making you a legend in your own mind!

Your type of theology is smilar to that of a Jim Jones, or Pastor Fred Phelps, of worse yet, Harold C. Camping. You may also find yourself in the same camp as Rev. Jeremiah Wright, because your style of debate is militant and it has a definite air of "take no prisoners!"

I don't follow TBN because of the false teachers on the network, and you are no different than those preachers, because you have your very own spiritual niche, and it has served as you dais for many years, and it will be the same dais that you try to take with you to heaven. Surprise. Heaven will be nothing like think or taught. I only hope you can adapt and adjust. :smilewinkgrin:

So go ahead and continue to poke your mocking style of debate in my direction, I'm much more capable, than you seem to think, to handle your narcissistic rants. You aren't the first narcissistic _ _ _ _ I've come up against, and you won't be the last. :tear:

I pray that one day, soon, you find the light, and that light be the one that helps to keep you from sinking further in your own miry pit of insincerity, double-dealing, double-talking, and deceitful hypocrisy!

And my prayer for those who may follow you and hold your narcissistic crown over your head for you, is that they stop and think before they drink (the grape juice)! :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Iconoclast]

You still did not answer the question....I take that as a concession of you admitting to your baseless claims. A debate implies you answer questions...not just spew forth your evil postings.... My comments to you were right on the mark...your false ideas stand as posted...
You never intended to answer did you?? You just want to let all your vile thoughts out:thumbsup:

I understand dude.....false ideas questioned...no biblical answer from you...attack the messenger....Got it!

DUDE.....Get well soon

 

[preacher4truth]

....let me see if I am reading you right?. You've gone from wearing the hat of self-righteous KNOW-IT-ALL; to :smilewinkgrin:

rd2, can you answer your position with Scripture as requested by Iconoclast?

 

[Arbo]

...Seems like civility and brotherly love took the weekend off from the looks of this thread.

 

[Iconoclast]

rd2, can you answer your position with Scripture as requested by Iconoclast?

Dude has several times made this kind of remark:

It must be nice to have your very own corner on the truth (as you see and proclaim it to be). Maybe the city (you reside in) should name a street corner in your honor: Iconoclast Blvd at Imnevawrong Street.

So I asked dude this question 3-4 times....

Dude when you post....do you post truth ...or error?

in other words who comes on BB and says wait...let me post some error today. EVERY POSTER thinks they are posting a truth.

Dude says I believe what I post is true....of course I do ....why would I post error on purpose?//
So the question remains dude.......you can post your error...but you want no one to question it scripturally. But when I post....i am not allowed to offer correction, or links that offer correction. If I post it must be like these twisted and evil accusations you keep making.

 

[preacher4truth]

Dude has several times made this kind of remark:


So I asked dude this question 3-4 times....

Dude when you post....do you post truth ...or error?

in other words who comes on BB and says wait...let me post some error today. EVERY POSTER thinks they are posting a truth.

Dude says I believe what I post is true....of course I do ....why would I post error on purpose?//
So the question remains dude.......you can post your error...but you want no one to question it scripturally. But when I post....i am not allowed to offer correction, or links that offer correction. If I post it must be like these twisted and evil accusations you keep making.

I'm looking for objective truth (Scriptural) from RD2, not subjective ('hmmmmmmphhhhh! this is what I want to believe about it, so there!...and if you judge me for that you're a pharisee and think you have the monopoly on truth even though you use Scripture to show what you believe!')

:wavey:

I await Scriptural truth minus the pejorative laden responses. As ministers of the Gospel this is not too much to ask. If it is, then resignation is in order. But you know me, I just say it like it is and cut out the filler.

 

[Iconoclast]

I'm looking for objective truth (Scriptural) from RD2, not subjective ('hmmmmmmphhhhh! this is what I want to believe about it, so there!...and if you judge me for that you're a pharisee and think you have the monopoly on truth even though you use Scripture to show what you believe!')

:wavey:

I await Scriptural truth minus the pejorative laden responses. As ministers of the Gospel this is not too much to ask. If it is, then resignation is in order. But you know me, I just say it like it is and cut out the filler.

[/QU:thumbsup::thumbs::applause:

Some...when they caught in error do not have the integrity to say...wait ,,,let me take another look at that verse. When you call them on error it is like trying to nail jello to the wall to get them to state honestly what they are saying. They keep moving the goal post. I notice dude does what benjamin does....they project their own defects on those who question them...that way they do not actually attempt to answer a direct question.

 

[gb93433]

Hey Dude....here is a clue......tongue= language....

Not in every case.

 

[Iconoclast]

Not in every case.

Not sure what you mean...I was speaking of this:

4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

Tongues=language

 

[gb93433]

Not sure what you mean...I was speaking of this:

4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

Tongues=language

Look at 1 Cor. 14 and also what an oracle is and how it was obtained in the Greek world.

 

[righteousdude2]

Note to p4t and his highness "ic"

...who died and made (either of) you god? I owe no anwser to any questions that are posed in order to draw me further into a debate I can't win.

Silence is not resignation, nor admittance of any wrong doing. However, it is often the wisest course of action to take.

I have chose to exit the field of battle at this time, no dishonor in retreat, because, after looking over the manner in which ic likes to do battle, I have chosen that this is not the hill upon which I want to die. Especially to die at the hands of a person who definitiely has a great talent in the realm of spin and twisting what others say, in order to beat them into submission by his own BRAND of theology.

An example lies within the fact that ic continues to insist that tongue represents language. I disagree. If we can't get past this difference of how to spell and say tomatoe/tomato, then there is no reason to continue to take this any further.

If you want to hoist the flag of victory over my choice to remain silent in the battle of words and terms, so be it. I can't stop you from GLOATING. If you want to proclaim that you drove me to the point that I have no answer to your questions, so be it. If you want to make it look like you are the one and only person on this board who can boast "from my lip to the ear of God!" so be it!

My silence may say I have no answers to your hounding and probing. However, I view my silence as being a sign of wisdom. I have chosen to maintain that everything you have thrown at me, by way of questions, mocking, and know-it-all theology has had no effect on me or what I believe in regard to what i know and understand about the supernatural abilities of my God.

I see a man (you) who has chosen to be loud and overbearing, while ignoring that God is more awesome than his own theology. We will have to see what we see when we get to heaven.

Come look me up then (you too p4t) and ask me then if I was right or wrong? I am willing to make a stand on my views, but, I don't see it as a manditory issue to push you or p4t to the point where you may see my way of thinking (cause that isn't going to happen any more than you will turn my way to yours).

As I've said before, IT HAS NEVER BEEN MY WAY OF OPERATING ON THIS BOARD TO PUSH MY WAYS OF THINKING DOWN THE THROAT OF ANOTHER. MY VIEWS OF THE SIGNS AND GIFTS IS SECONDARY TO MAKING SURE THE LOST ARE KNOWLEDGABLE OF THE FACT THAT JESUS DIED FOR THEM.

I COULD NOT CARE LESS IF A PERSON HAS THE SAME VIEWS OF THE SIGNS AND GIFTS AS ME, BECAUSE IT WILL NOT GET THEM INTO HEAVEN. WHEREAS YOU MY FRIEND(s) SEEM TO WANT ANSWER IN ORDER TO BEAT DOWN THE VIEWS OF OTHERS IN ORDER TO LIFT UP YOUR OWN VIEWS AS BEING THE ONE AND ONLY WAY TO FOLLOW JESUS.

I would never buy into or even begin to follow anyone like yourself (ic), because you live to change the minds of people. WHILE I LIVE TO CHANGE THE HEART OF THE LOST IN ORDER TO KEEP THEM FROM GOING TO HELL.

GIFTS, SIGNS, PRAYER LANGUAGE, WHATEVER, MEANS NOTHING TO GOD IN THE LARGER SCALE OF WHY HE SENT HIS SON TO DIE FOR US. YOUR ARGUMENT IS MORE OR LESS LIKE THE ONGOING FEUD BETWEEN THE FELLOWSHIP OF WHETHER A PERSON WAS A FOLLOWER OF PETER OR PAUL.

I refuse to be sucked any further into your battle ground of words. So in the name of Jesus, BACK OFF!!! If that makes you the winner, so be it. Go claim it. And do your boasting and gloating and get it over with. As for me I want to move on...

 

[Iconoclast]

And do your boasting and gloating and get it over with. As for me I want to move on...

There is nothing to boast or gloat about. You jumped in and attacked,Saying Amy was using satans tactics...then you attacked me personally[first in PM then on here]...which I understand as you do not share the historic doctrine of the church. Seems like you have an agenda
We do not believe the same thing...whatsoever.


Move on dude.Re-read the thread...see what really happened...then move on.