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[Yeshua1]

Three different types of salvation when only one is true = huge division.

Again, who teaches 3 ways to get saved?

 

[Yeshua1]

first - lets answer my question/example -
Can churches association even if music (as well as other minor difference) style is not exactly the same?

At one time in my church, had 4 worship leaders and teams, and one was contemporary, one all hymnals, another rock beat, and another blend!

 

[Yeshua1]

Salvation by works does not save. How can you justify fellowship with those who teach it? Most churches teach this today.

Some in these churches are saved by grace but ignorant about how God saved them.

What baptist and evangelical churches teach that?

 

[Yeshua1]

What fellowship hath light with darkness? Where do you draw the line?

Christians can have sincere disagreements, but both still in the light!

 

[JonC]

Three versions of salvation? Only one can be true. Immorality in the churches? Try to find one that doesn't marry divorced people.

Correction - if you have three versions of salvation- all three could be false.

If it is a false gospel (i.e , Christ is not God, one can be saved apart from Christ, ect.) then it is a false church.

But if Christians understand the gospel through secondary doctrines (Calvinism, Armenians, Amyraldianism, Free-Will theology, ect.) then Christ can make the stand.

I would not join a church that taught any of those understandings as the gospel itself (that would be approaching "another gospel"). But I would not be judgmental about any Christian who understood the gospel within those theories.

We, being human, have to articulate the gospel how we understand it to apply it to our lives. But we, being human, understand things differently. When we elevate our understanding to the level if Scripture and then impose our understanding on others we place ourselves in the place of God.

Who are you to judge th servant of Another? He will make them stand just as He will make you stand.

 

[1689Dave]

Correction - if you have three versions of salvation- all three could be false.

If it is a false gospel (i.e , Christ is not God, one can be saved apart from Christ, ect.) then it is a false church.

But if Christians understand the gospel through secondary doctrines (Calvinism, Armenians, Amyraldianism, Free-Will theology, ect.) then Christ can make the stand.

I would not join a church that taught any of those understandings as the gospel itself (that would be approaching "another gospel"). But I would not be judgmental about any Christian who understood the gospel within those theories.

We, being human, have to articulate the gospel how we understand it to apply it to our lives. But we, being human, understand things differently. When we elevate our understanding to the level if Scripture and then impose our understanding on others we place ourselves in the place of God.

Who are you to judge th servant of Another? He will make them stand just as He will make you stand.

Then there is no salvation and the church is a hoax.

 

[Salty]

What baptist and evangelical churches teach that?

Apparently Dave does not like to answer questions - he only likes to argue.
I am up for a good discussion - but a discussion is to be two way/

So I do not see any need to respond to his posts anymore..

Oh, I dont know of any Bap/evang that teach 3 ways of salvation.

 

[Yeshua1]

Then there is no salvation and the church is a hoax.

No, could be that you have a wrong view on this issue!

 

[Salty]

Correction - if you have three versions of salvation- all three could be false. ....

I agree that versions 2-4 could all be incorrect

Unless you believe version # 1 (By grace - thru Faith in the redemptive blood of Christ)
and that church is not a hoax - all others are false

 

[37818]

Essential teachings versus Non-essential or secondary teachings.

Genuine church versus Non-genuine church divisions are over essential truths of the Christian faith and salvation.

Most Christian church divisions are over Non-essential or secondary teachings which are not matters essential for salvation.

Primary or essential doctrines:
The doctrines of what is the word of God. (Secondaries too?!)
The doctrine of God. (Secondaries too?!)
The doctrine of man and the sinful nature. (Secondaries too?!)
The doctrine of Christ and His gospel. (Secondaries too?!)

 

[1689Dave]

Apparently Dave does not like to answer questions - he only likes to argue.
I am up for a good discussion - but a discussion is to be two way/

So I do not see any need to respond to his posts anymore..

Oh, I dont know of any Bap/evang that teach 3 ways of salvation.

You are judging my motive which is considered a sin. Three types of salvation? One true the others false? It's simple. God saves sinners apart from their efforts = grace. God saves sinners based on their efforts = works. People save themselves unaided by God. Which are you?

 

[Yeshua1]

Essential teachings versus Non-essential or secondary teachings.

Genuine church versus Non-genuine church divisions are over essential truths of the Christian faith and salvation.

Most Christian church divisions are over Non-essential or secondary teachings which are not matters essential for salvation.

Primary or essential doctrines:
The doctrines of what is the word of God.
The doctrine of God.
The doctrine of man and the sinful nature. (Secondaries too?!)
The doctrine of Christ and His gospel.

Yes, as we should only divide up based upon the essentials of the faith

 

[Yeshua1]

You are judging my motive which is considered a sin. Three types of salvation? One true the others false? It's simple. God saves sinners apart from their efforts = grace. God saves sinners based on their efforts = works. People save themselves unaided by God. Which are you?

What Baptist church teaches 3 ways to get saved?

 

[Salty]

Essential teachings versus Non-essential or secondary teachings.

Just keep in mind that what one person deems as non-essential - others deem to be essential.

One example would be the KJV-only debate

Genuine church versus Non-genuine church divisions are over essential truths of the Christian faith and salvation.

Most Christian church divisions are over Non-essential or secondary teachings which are not matters essential for salvation.

Fully agree

 

[Yeshua1]

Another area where some elevate to being essential would be tongues and spiritual gifts

 

[37818]

The doctrines of what is the word of God. (Secondaries too?!)
The doctrine of God. (Secondaries too?!)
The doctrine of man and the sinful nature. (Secondaries too?!)
The doctrine of Christ and His gospel. (Secondaries too?!)

Secondaries too? Unfortunately genuine Christians find disagreements in these essentials!

 

[JonC]

Then there is no salvation and the church is a hoax.

No. That is not what it means.

It means that the gospel is not our understanding of the gospel.

It means God is greater than men.

 

[1689Dave]

No. That is not what it means.

It means that the gospel is not our understanding of the gospel.

It means God is greater than men.

So "you will know the truth" is meaningless according to you?

 

[37818]

Three Christians agree Ephesians 2:8, ". . . For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: . . ." to be true, but disagree as to its meanings!
Contexts . . . Epheians 2.1-10 . . . too.

 

[Yeshua1]

So "you will know the truth" is meaningless according to you?

You seem to equate that if anyone disagrees with you views, must be wrong!