IFB-KJVO pastor tells us what's wrong with the world.

it is really sad we have so many biblically illiterate christians that people like him (and others, Hinn for example) get a christian following. All they see is biblically sound. When in reality they wouldn't know for sure.
you can have all the learning opportunities possible, but you can't make people learn or want to learn anything, or even belief the truth. And that is sad.

 

LOL, hillary, lol

 

Ed, I hope I didn't offend you with the "nitpicking" comment. I should have chosen my words more carefully. My point was that I do not see a difference between repenting of sin and repenting towards God. And I certainly do not believe that we must "do" anything to be saved. In my own experience, I felt extreme guilt for my sin (convicting of the Spirit) and I turned to God, who saved me. Is that repenting of sin or turning to God? The sorrow I felt over my sin made me turn to God. It wasn't something I did consciously. I guess I just responded to God.

Anyway. That's the way I see it. I believe I was saved by God's grace alone. No works were involved other than Christ's.

Peace to you as well.

 

Amy. G, I assure you that I was not offended, in any way. (I could show you an e-mail, were you standing beside me, that I recently received, and you would surely understand that it would take far more than your previous post, for me to be offended, in any way.)

What you have said here, is not very far from almost a 'quote' and is certainly a very good presentation of II Cor. 7:8-10.

Stay tuned for a response I am producing for another poster, in this thread.

Ed

 

Want to have a fun time?

Search "Spamderson" at yahoo.com.

Guess whose church is the first hit?

 

LOL....

I guess even yahoo knows what a spamming troll that guy is... and has linked his antics to his church!!!

 

Another Spamderson video where he mentions Toilets, and Bush...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfzYjuND6uM&feature=user
I think he has a fascination here....

 

In the words of the inimitable Foghorn Leghorn -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o9rrjMZ_48

Just leave him alone on the one point where he is right - 'repentance'.

After that- Good luck! One will need it!

Ed

 

LOL, just had a thought. How long has it been since he posted here, think he'll post his sermon about peeing? Correct bathroom habits of true christians.

 

He was banned wasn't he? He is not showing in the member list...

 

Interesting theory....

I would hate to be his wife....

"Honey, I know the Bible says against the wall, but can you please, just please hit the bowl this time!!!?"

 

You guys (and gals) are BAD!! Hilarious...but BAD.

Please continue!

Blessings,

The Archangel

PS. I hope his bathroom is painted in enamel paint, it's easier to clean

 

Well, I somehow lost the response I was composing, so I've had to start over, and try again.

I fully agree that II Cor. 7:8-10 is clear on this subject.

However, I am also going to assume that you may not be aware that there are three different words rendered as some form of repentance in the passage, as seen in the KJV, which I believe is the version you normally use, if my memory serves. Here is the passage we are discussing, plus some wider context, as rendered in the NKJV, the version I normally use and carry. I will be emphasizing and subscripting some words, in this passage, with a bit of thumbnail commentary, not having the time to actually give it all the attention it deserves

Note the highlighted and subscripted words. (For the benefit of any lurkers, also note, FTR, that sorrow is not the same as repentance, although I grant that, unlike some others I've seen and met, The Scribe has not attempted to 'define' "repent" as 'to be sorry for one's sins'.) I will note that the KJV has 3 of the 4 words found in the NT, that have anything to do with 'repent" in this passage.

It seems like fair exegesis to specifically cross-reference this passage with what Paul previously wrote in I Cor. 5, where he wrote against the sexual immorality of the individual who "had his father's wife", and committing this one to Satan for judgment. At least a good number see this to be the case, and I agree with that.

Nevertheless, the principle is, I believe, far broader than this specifically.

The footnoted words in English and the Greek root words, subscripted above, with some meanings,are as follows:
[a] - sorry, sorrow, sorrowed, are all the root word "λυπη" and this is rendered accurately, here.
- regret, rendered "repent" here in the KJV, is the word "μεταμελομαι", and carries the idea of 'to care afterwards (or differently)'. This word has more to do with the emotions, than does the root of the next word to here follow, and has the implication of 'to feel differently' in its essence. Contrast that with -
[c] - repentance - the noun form "μετανοια", with the verb form being that of "μετανοεω". In the noun form, this refers to a change of mind, or thinking. The verb carries the idea of 'to think afterwards (or differently)'. These words are used having to do with salvation, in the NT. The previous word is not used this way, and is, in fact, only used 6 times in the NT. One of those has to do with Judas. He regretted, but he did not change his mind. One cannot "rue their way" to eternal life, any more than one can "do their way" to eternal life.
[d] - "not to be regretted" - "αμεταμελητος" is a word that carries the idea of 'irrevocable', and is here rendered in an unfortunate way, IMO. It is only found here and in Rom. 11:29. There the NIV, NASB, AMP, ESV, NKJV, HCSB, NIV-UK, and TNIV all properly render the word as "irrevocable", just as I wish the versions did here, for this a far more accurate rendering.
[e] - produces - "κατεργαζομαι" - 'works out' or accurately rendered as produces. I list this word, as it is the only really questionable word in this passage from the TR vs. W/H renderings. I did not give a long detailed check after locating this word in my own hard copies, and a quick read on-line in Bible Gateway, but was more than satisfied with the reading as found in the MT. The alternate word does not really change anything here, IMO, for it too, is from the same Greek root, meaning work or produce. Nevertheless, I think the TR is fully accurate, here, and honesty compels me to say this.

Likewise, I would render II Cor. 7:10 as follows - "For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to irrevocable salvation; but worldly sorrow produces death." Basically consistent with the NKJV, which I quoted.

It's about four hours past my bedtime, so G'nite, all! The editing and typing misteaks will all just have to stay, this time. :sleeping_2:

Ed

 

Since when is a male not a man. My mind is still spinning with that amazing, logical, and profound declaration of "truth". Actually I bust out laughing when I heard that. Good thing I will never here him live. I probably could not keep myself together.

We should pray for this poor individual. He is obviously full of bitterness, anger and pride.

 

He used to frequent here. I would say if you if you Prayed for him in this forum he would probably read it.:thumbs:

 

How in the world is spamderson going to explain himself to God?

 

Another gossip column on the BB.

 

I was thinking the same thing. :saint: