Illegal immigrants

[Crabtownboy]

It's already paid for. Congress allocated the funds over a decade ago. It was foot dragging from the White House that kept the wall/fence from being completed in a timely manner.

Not the type of wall that Trump wants. Also, even with Trump's wall I read somewhere that there will be gaps in it and the cost as his wall has been proposed will exceed that already agreed upon by several magnitudes. Do you seriously believe a wall would work. Did not work for the Chinese. Has not worked for the Israelis, did not work for the Warsaw Pact countries. It is simply a feel good political venture and will not solve anything. it will run up the national debt significantly.

 

[TCassidy]

I read somewhere

On Hillary's propaganda page? LOL!

 

[TCassidy]

Do you seriously believe a wall would work.

Yes. Where it has already been built it is working fine.

Did not work for the Chinese.

You do understand that the Great Wall of China was built between the 7th and 3rd centuries BC, right? And that, at that time, they did not have CCTV cameras, touch sensors, pressure sensors, klieg lights, helicopters, and RQ-9 Reapers (Predator Bs) to respond to incursions, right?

If walls don't work how did the Communist government of East Germany keep all those people from moving west from 1945 until 1989?

If fences/walls don't work why is there a fence around the White House?

 

[Sapper Woody]

On a humorous side note, I did some calculation. To build Trump's wall in the video game Minecraft would take roughly 3,000,000 blocks. That's a one meter wide, three meter tall wall.

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[Rolfe]

Really? Is that what we call it when parents are put in jail. Should we not put parents in jail because if how it effects the children? Your position is untenable and it will be difficult for you to remain consistent with this.

Children are not removed to prison for their parents' crimes.

 

[Revmitchell]

Children are not removed to prison for their parents' crimes.

No but there are consequences. Further taking their children back with them is not wrong, immoral, or really a problem.

 

[Rolfe]

Further taking their children back with them is not wrong, immoral, or really a problem.

Your opinion only. And a flawed one, I think.

Essentially, the options are using the parents to deport minor-aged American Citizens or give them to adoption or make them wards of the State.

 

[Revmitchell]

the options are using the parents to deport minor-aged American Citizens

what is flawed here is your very poor characterization meant to demonize rather than live in reality. No one is wanting to use the parents (who are illegal by the way) to deport "minor-aged American Citizens". What we do want is for the rule of law to be observed. Contrary to your view this is a very important thing. How those illegal parents go about doing that is on them. They broke the law and now they need to deal with it correctly. I am not for allowing them to stay because they came here and give birth to children so they could have an argument to stay. That is in fact what they have done and it holds no water. Period.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Trump is going to implement at 15% corporate tax which is one of the lowest in the world. This will significantly reduce the cost of doing business, allowing for a natural increase in wages.

Why so low?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It was never finished. However, the law was passed and the funds are available to complete it.

Wait a minute....isn't the Mexican Government supposed to pay for it?

 

[Rolfe]

what is flawed here is your very poor characterization meant to demonize rather than live in reality.

No demonization intended, though I suspect your comment here was.

If anyone has a right to be annoyed about illegal immigration, I think that I do. Though I understand your point, I think that your desire for the expulsion of the lawbreaker ignores the innocent child who is caught in the situation. Of course I would have illegals deported, but I think that consideration should be granted the mother of a minor American Citizen. Better to let Mamma stay than to have the only option for the child to remain in the U.S. be abandonment.

 

[Revmitchell]

I think that your desire for the expulsion of the lawbreaker ignores the innocent child who is caught in the situation.

It doesn't ignore it at all. In fact it is in full consideration. The problem is they came in illegally. This has become a huge problem. If it were just a few thousand or so I might be a bit more agreeable. This issue has gotten way out of hand, because of that leaving any of them in the country without addressing their illegality is unacceptable. Further, it was allowed by the far left who does not care about the rule of law unless it furthers their agenda. So in order to gain more voters they turned a blind eye to this. In 2008 Obama had a completely different position. They have been nothing but political pawns to Democrats.

I don't care if they are here but not illegally and not as a voter.

 

[Salty]

Your sympathy for others is underwhelming. People who have lived here for years and committed no crimes and have children who know only living here should be allowed to stay under a special status.

In 1997 William Stinemetz robbed a bank in Indiana.
He has just recently be arrested for that charge.
Since he stayed out of trouble for nearly 20 years, should we separate him from his family?

 

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[Sapper Woody]

Your sympathy for others is underwhelming. People who have lived here for years and committed no crimes and have children who know only living here should be allowed to stay under a special status.

Remember Christ's teachings on how we should treat strangers.

It's impossible to come here illegally and not commit any crimes. Being here illegally IS a crime.

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[Crabtownboy]

It's impossible to come here illegally and not commit any crimes. Being here illegally IS a crime.

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Your response is a silly given.

And when Christ spoke about taking care of strangers did he stipulate that they must be legal? No, he did not.

Is it in any manner a Christ-like action to force people to go to a country where they very likely will be killed?

Where is your sympathy for those in dire need?

What is wrong with giving people who have lived here for years as good law abiding people special consideration?

What is right about making children who know only living here special consideration?

 

[Crabtownboy]

In 1997 William Stinemetz robbed a bank in Indiana.
He has just recently be arrested for that charge.
Since he stayed out of trouble for nearly 20 years, should we separate him from his family?

Salty, you know as well as I there are always exception.

So, because of one person you would have thousands upon thousands of lived placed in danger by sending them away? And their kids also?

How is that in any manner abiding by the teachings of Christ as to how we are to treat strangers among us?

I do not think you are as hard-hearted as your answer implies.

 

[Salty]

So should Mr. Stinemetz be allowed to go free since he stayed out of trouble for 20 years?

The teachings of Christ suggest we obey the law.

 

[Bro. James]

The amount of the punishment is largely dependent on how much gold one has.

Did Stinemetz get due process? Perhaps we are jumping at conclusions. If proven guilty, he could receive a light sentence or a pardon. It depends on the circumstances.

Consider what Jesus did our sin debt--He paid it in full. "Father, forgive them--they know not what they do."

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James II

 

[Sapper Woody]

Your response is a silly given.

And when Christ spoke about taking care of strangers did he stipulate that they must be legal? No, he did not.

Is it in any manner a Christ-like action to force people to go to a country where they very likely will be killed?

Where is your sympathy for those in dire need?

What is wrong with giving people who have lived here for years as good law abiding people special consideration?

What is right about making children who know only living here special consideration?

Lets say that there's a line to see the doctor. The doctor is being compassionate and performing services for free. Someone jumps the line, getting ahead of all the people waiting correctly. Is serving that person instead of sending them back compassionate? No. Its a horrible offense to those doing the right thing.

Allowing illegals to stay and get benefits is not compassionate. It is the opposite of compassion. It is taking away from others. Others who have an equal need, but who are trying to get the need taken care of properly.

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