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Illegal immigrants

Benjamin

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I wouldn't suggest that but their illegal families need to go.
All I got to say is that I know a family that came out here 25 years ago, 3 boys , 2, 4, and 6 years old, the father soon ran off and those boys are like my own, and there ain't no one taking them anywhere before I'm in jail!!
 

Revmitchell

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All I got to say is that I know a family that came out here 25 years ago, 3 boys , 2, 4, and 6 years old, the father soon ran off and those boys are like my own, and there ain't no one taking them anywhere before I'm in jail!!

Yea it is sad when parents handle things the wrong way even illegally. We cannot ignore the laws. Their legal status should have been dealt with 25 years ago.
 

Benjamin

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Yea it is sad when parents handle things the wrong way even illegally. We cannot ignore the laws. Their legal status should have been dealt with 25 years ago.
There is plenty of room in the law to make allowances for such situations and personally I'm confident of the intent for these allowances will be accommodated for once the border is sealed. I don't even consider it a real threat for the good people that have established their lives here as illegals aliens.
 

Squire Robertsson

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In many cases, it's "What relatives?" All I'm saying is this needs to be thought through to minimize the inevitable unintended consequences. Slogans are all well and good e.g. 54-40 or Fight. But, we are at a point were meat needs to be put on the bones.
No, but the parents should be free to take their kids with them.
If the parents are deported, they can say with relatives
 

Revmitchell

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There is plenty of room in the law to make allowances for such situations and personally I'm confident of the intent for these allowances will be accommodated for once the border is sealed. I don't even consider it a real threat for the good people that have established their lives here as illegals aliens.

Well threat is always a concern with illegal immigration but obeying our law is as well.
 

TCassidy

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I live right on the border. I see illegals every day. Often they have very small children who were born in this country and thus citizens.

I have no problem at all with illegal alien, but otherwise law abiding parents of US citizens, being allowed to stay in the US. They should be placed on a path to citizenship. They should be required to work and be self-supporting. They should also be required to enroll and complete an "English as a Second Language" course. This will not only speed their integration and assimilation into US society but will also increase their skill set needed to get a good job.

God has instituted three organizations on earth. The Family. The Government. The Church. The Family was created first and should have precedence. Splitting up a family is not only a sin but should also be a crime.

But what do I know. I only deal with it every day. Or church feeds families in need (most of them illegal), this week it was 70 families. My wife's Quilt Guild makes blankets (quilts) for families who have no heat in their homes (mostly illegals).

There are rewards in heaven for helping the downtrodden.

Matthew 25:34 Then the King will tell those on his right hand, ‘Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;
35 for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in.
36 I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison, and you came to me.’
 

Use of Time

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;) Something like this:

a-very-well-built-wall.jpg

Lower taxes,
I live right on the border. I see illegals every day. Often they have very small children who were born in this country and thus citizens.

I have no problem at all with illegal alien, but otherwise law abiding parents of US citizens, being allowed to stay in the US. They should be placed on a path to citizenship. They should be required to work and be self-supporting. They should also be required to enroll and complete an "English as a Second Language" course. This will not only speed their integration and assimilation into US society but will also increase their skill set needed to get a good job.

God has instituted three organizations on earth. The Family. The Government. The Church. The Family was created first and should have precedence. Splitting up a family is not only a sin but should also be a crime.

But what do I know. I only deal with it every day. Or church feeds families in need (most of them illegal), this week it was 70 families. My wife's Quilt Guild makes blankets (quilts) for families who have no heat in their homes (mostly illegals).

There are rewards in heaven for helping the downtrodden.

Matthew 25:34 Then the King will tell those on his right hand, ‘Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;
35 for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in.
36 I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison, and you came to me.’

Fantastic post Tom.
 

Benjamin

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There is plenty of room in the law to make allowances for such situations and personally I'm confident of the intent for these allowances will be accommodated for once the border is sealed. I don't even consider it a real threat for the good people that have established their lives here as illegals aliens.

Stahl had pressed Trump about his campaign pledge to deport "millions and millions of undocumented immigrants." Trump told her that after securing the border, his administration would make a "determination" on the remaining undocumented immigrants in the country.

"After the border is secure and after everything gets normalized, we’re going to make a determination on the people that they’re talking about — who are terrific people. They’re terrific people, but we are gonna make a determination at that,” Trump said. “But before we make that determination...it’s very important, we are going to secure our border.”

His comments echoed those he had made at the start of his campaign: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best," Trump had said last June when he announced his candidacy. "They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eport-2-to-3-million-undocumented-immigrants/

I'm a little surprised that it is thought there could 2-3 million criminal illegal aliens, but it hard to say what these guidelines will be and if it could include some that are merely living off government benefits while engaging in unscrupulous ways of making money - that cannot show where they have made income.

"What we are going to do is get the people that are criminal and have criminal records, gang members, drug dealers, where a lot of these people, probably 2 million, it could be even 3 million, we are getting them out of our country or we are going to incarcerate," Trump told 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl, according to a preview of the interview released by CBS. "But we’re getting them out of our country. They’re here illegally."

The 3 boys I mentioned above were not allowed to go to college but they learned the value of work are hard workers and have built a successful landscaping business,. They pay taxes, have valid driver licences, pay insurance, applied for and received work permits, purchased good equipment, trucks etc., not one of them has even had a traffic violation. They've worked at whatever was available to take care of their mother and each other since their teens. They are polite, well mannered, and helpful good neighbors to everyone here. They've come over to my property countless times to help me with heavy projects. They are deeply appreciative of anything they've received whether it be work or hand-me-downs, Christmas money that brought tears to their eyes or whatever, you can't put a price on the smiles and friendship between us - and I love my supply of tamales.

Trump said above some are "terrific people" and these are the type I believe should have no worries about what is about to go on.
 
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Benjamin

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Two characteristics I will expect to see maintained from Christians, those which I would consider “mature”, as we decide how to deal with the illegal aliens that have lives here after we’ve solved the problem of an open border are the attributes of grace and mercy toward their fellow man.
 

Revmitchell

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Punishment of the children for the sins of the parents.

Really? Is that what we call it when parents are put in jail. Should we not put parents in jail because if how it effects the children? Your position is untenable and it will be difficult for you to remain consistent with this.
 

Crabtownboy

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I'm not saying I oppose a wall or that preventing illegal immigration doesn't make sense to me. It's the wall itself. I just can't picture it, or what I do picture would be a maintenance nightmare and wouldn't really work. So I like the idea but am not sure about the wall.

The wall would cost more than we can afford. Of course we could put solar panels on the south facing side to generate electricity.
 

Crabtownboy

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Really? Is that what we call it when parents are put in jail. Should we not put parents in jail because if how it effects the children? Your position is untenable and it will be difficult for you to remain consistent with this.

Your sympathy for others is underwhelming. People who have lived here for years and committed no crimes and have children who know only living here should be allowed to stay under a special status.

Remember Christ's teachings on how we should treat strangers.
 

TCassidy

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The wall would cost more than we can afford.
It's already paid for. Congress allocated the funds over a decade ago. It was foot dragging from the White House that kept the wall/fence from being completed in a timely manner.
 
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