Alan Dale Gross
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Amen. "Born." "From Above."Yes the initial faith is born of God
Bright, you'd need to prove it with Scripture.
Yep, apparently that is what you believe, but Paul never did and still doesn't in Heaven now.I see Paul telling the churches that they believe because they are saved...
They are not saved because they believe.
Don't know where you come off thinking your statements are always the Mind of God.One thing for sure, though, it's not from the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Nobody said anything like that.prove from Scripture that the life begins before we receive the Holy Spirit.
Read carefully...until proven other wise, dead people can believe.
Your denial of the Bible teaching of Total Depravity and saying, "dead people can believe"|, is the clearest evidence of man being Totally Depraved that I have ever witnessed.
"Man must see himself as unlike God and in rebellion against God. He must see the opposition between his condition and the holiness of God. He must see that God abhors his condition and state. The recognition of sin that enters into repentance unto salvation is concerned primarily, not with the fact that sin brings punishment, but with the fact that sin offends God. There is, of course, a fear of the eternal consequences of sin; but this is not the primary thing."
THE UNIVERSALITY OF SIN IN THE HUMAN FAMILY
All men, with the sole exception of the God-man, Christ Jesus our Lord, are sinful by nature and express that inward sinfulness in willful transgressions... This fact is proved by;
1. The Universal Need of Repentance, Faith, and Regeneration.
Luke 13:3; John 8:24; Acts 16:30,31; Heb. 11:6; John 3:3,18.
2. Plain Scripture Declarations.
1 Kings 8:46; Psa. 143:2; Prov. 20:9; Eccl. 7:20; Rom. 3:10, 23; Gal. 3:22.
TOTAL DEPRAVITY CONSIDERED:
"Total depravity means that sin has permeated every faculty of man's being just as a drop of poison would permeate every molecule of a glass of water. Sin has warped every faculty in man, and thus it taints his every act.
(1) Proof of Total Depravity.
A. Man is Depraved in Mind. Gen. 6:5.
B. In Heart. Jer. 17:9.
C. In Affections so that He is Averse to God. John 3: 19; Rom. 8:7.
D. In Conscience. Titus 1:15; Heb. 10:22.
E. In Speech. Psa. 58:3; Jer. 8:6; Rom. 3:13.
F. Depraved from Head to Foot. Isa. 1:5,6.
G. Depraved when Born. Psa. 51:5; Psa. 58:3.
(2) The Effect of Total Depravity.
A. No Remnant of Good Remains in Man by Nature. Rom. 7: I &
B. Therefore, Man by Nature Cannot Subject Himself to the Law of God or Please God. Rom. 8:7,8.
C. Man is by Nature Spiritually Dead. Rom. 5:12; Col. 2:16; 1 John 3:14.
D. Therefore, He Cannot Comprehend Spiritual Things. 1 Cor. 2:14.
E. Hence, He Cannot Until Quickened by the Spirit of God, Turn From Sin to God in Godly Penitence and Faith. Jer. 13:23; John 6:44,65; 12:39,40.
The basis of depravity and spiritual inability lies in the heart. It is deceitful and incurably wicked (Jer. 17:9). Out of the heart are the issues of life (Prov. 4:23). No one can bring a clean thing out of an unclean one (Job 14:4).
"Hence, neither holiness nor faith can proceed from the natural heart. Good things proceed from a good heart and evil things proceed from an evil heart (Matt. 7:17,18; Luke 6:45)."
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