Jarthur001
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hummBrother Bob said:
well... before you were saved by the blood of the Lamb, were you under the wrath of God?
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Infant Salvation
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well... before you were saved by the blood of the Lamb, were you under the wrath of God?
Jarthur001
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We cannot get to the subject till we get our facts straight.moondg said:
Brother Bob
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Hello James;
I guess you could consider the natural death as being the wrath of God, which is already passed on mankind. But in this case we are talking about the judgement and destruction of evil. I believe I was without sin until I knew what sin was. Even though I was without sin, it still takes the blood of Jesus to take me to Heaven, for its through His resurrection, that we too, including infants will be raised. I do not believe I came under the wrath of God until I knew God. After that I was under the wrath of God until the blood of Christ. The soul that sinneth, shall die. If it were dead at birth, then it couldn't die.
Rom 1:21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
James, I been given a hard time, BaptistBeliever says he will not talk to me again, so please don't take away any good sayings for me.................
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This is what we have been talking about Salvation.
Great job Bro Bob:thumbs:
We cannot get to the subject till we get our facts straight.
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Jarthur001
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psa 58:6 says from the birth we are wickedBrother Bob said:
Brother Bob
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I will refer you to the Great Teeth. I actually do believe its a Hyperbole, the entire verse.
1: Do ye indeed speak righteousness, O congregation? do ye judge uprightly, O ye sons of men?
2: Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth.
3: The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
4: Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;
5: Which will not hearken to the voice of charmers, charming never so wisely.
6: Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD.
7: Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces.
8: As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.
9: Before your pots can feel the thorns, he shall take them away as with a whirlwind, both living, and in his wrath.
10: The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.
11: So that a man shall say, Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth.
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JustChristian
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Mr
Do you believe in Purgatory? There is Heaven and there is Hell. Which are you referring to?
Amy.G said:
Do you believe in Purgatory? There is Heaven and there is Hell. Which are you referring to?
Jarthur001
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Brother Bob said:James, I been given a hard time, BaptistBeliever says he will not talk to me again, so please don't take away any good sayings for me.................
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Originally Posted by moondg
This is what we have been talking about Salvation.
Great job Bro Bob:thumbs:
We cannot get to the subject till we get our facts straight.
ok...you can have that one back. But that's the last give back for today.
Jarthur001
Active Member
moondg,moondg said:
I am not ready to give my answer. Bob knows what it is. If I remember right, this was Bob and I's 1st little debate 2 years ago.
however...I would love to talk through it with you...if you have time. I'm sure others will join in. Do you have the time to talk about it?
Brother Bob
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I have sit and thought all day, should I leave BB. I cause a lot of controversey by not agreeing with others and making my stand. I guess I am not polite enough when I answer for so many to become offended. I am who I am, and I will not change James. You know me as much as anyone on here and know how strong I stand for what I believe. I think I step on too many toes, and maybe it would be better for all, if I just bowed out. I could find something else to fill my time, as I am not able to work around the house and have enjoyed debating, but I do not like the hate, I feel. I will think on it for a few days and make my decision.
BBob,
BBob,
ReformedBaptist
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webdog said:I don't believe I have. Spurgeon's preaching is pretty straight forward. I guess we are at an impasse on this one.
I appreciate the non vitriolic exchange, btw. It's nice to be able to disagree agreeably
Certainly my brother. We will not all agree perfectly on some things this side of heaven. And I imagine we will be so caught up in the glory and majesty of Christ when we see Him as He is, we will forget these things..
Jarthur001
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I really don't think anyone wants you to leave Bob. You have to be at peace with yourself so only you can answer if you need. If others upset you...then maybe you should stop for a while. Its not worth it to be upset a lot. But if you upset others..that is no reason to stop posting. I'm sure you don't mean to make anyone mad....who does? I don't mean to make others mad...but I do make bold statements at times, and if I make 3-4 of them one right after another, people get the idea I'm being mean. Then I slow down. Well...sometimes I do.Brother Bob said:
I think in time...all will be fine.
As long as your not getting mad yourself,
Jarthur001
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We can call later...if you still feel like talking to me.moondg said:
This is my point on this thread. There is a lot of emotion on this subject. Much of it is not based on the Bible. Much of what I use to think I had to change after I studied the subject on my own. Maybe you will not feel the same.
Ok...the reason why I keep going back to the state of man, is we must know what this is before we can understand the salvation in which we are looking at.
Now many have said on here that Man is not born a sinner. I disagree..as you can tell. You have read some of my support verses for this view. Not that you agree...but I'm sure you see my point.
so...
If salvation is by believing on Christ, and it is....
I would like to ask...when does a person become a non-believer?
Jarthur001
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hello dale,Dale-c said:
It just so happens that your post made way back there somewhere.....I agreed with 100%. As your other post ...on the other thread. Maybe I just gave myself away.
ReformedBaptist
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moondg said:
Hey moon,
I live in Atlanta! To answer your question directly from before, I answer true. All infants (and mentally handicapped) who perish, as MacArthur put it, "Instant Heaven."
Brother Bob
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Thanks fellows, I know you two, know me as much as anyone on here, for we have gotten into discussion a way farther than this one has gone, to the point, we all had to take a few days off. I am glad, I still have friends on here, I need you very much in my life. My last doctor appointment they tried to open another heart blockage but couldn't and just sent me home, so I need something to occupy my mind. I mean to hurt no one, but I am a strong debater, and always will be. When you get into a debate with me, you better be ready to defend your position. I am 68 years old, and too old to change much. God Bless and thanks again, Thanks to you to Moon.
Bbob,
I am not mad at myself for I believe all I posted and always supported it with scriptue. Sometimes a page full.
Bbob,
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