Inherited sin nature is wrong.

[Revmitchell]

That doesn't make it wrong.

Great so how does one justify believing we are all guilty of Adam's sin at birth or at conception and still believe babies do not go to hell? How then are babies justified in your position?

 

[HankD]

Great so how does one justify believing we are all guilty of Adam's sin at birth or at conception and still believe babies do not go to hell? How then are babies justified in your position?

Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

 

[HankD]

We were not there the bible does not say that. We didn't exist. We didn't eat that fruit.In fact I could use the same arguments Calvinist use about the word "all" This must mean all Calvinist. What you are saying is contradicted by scripture. We are not held responsible for our father's sin. Adam was father of us all
Deu_24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
2Ch 25:4 But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin.
Yes sir it seems you would have us all pay for the sins of our fathers.
MB

It is your own sin IN Adam - all died all sinned

 

[HankD]

Who condemned me as flesh and blood?

The word of God.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption

 

[loDebar]

The word of God.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption

The Word of God would be Jesus, ,John 1, and He said he does not judge man .
When was Adam condemned, and we know he was not condemned as a man?

 

[Revmitchell]

Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Doesn't apply to my question

 

[HankD]

The Word of God would be Jesus, ,John 1, and He said he does not judge man .
When was Adam condemned, and we know he was not condemned as a man?

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Doesn't apply to my question

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[Revmitchell]

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

What that verse doesnt say is that all scripture applies to everything at all times. If you cant or dont want to answer its fine and better to just say so.

 

[37818]

You are a condemned sinner but it did not come from Adam. The physical is not capable of sin but the spiritual sins.

Jesus said you can sin in your heart when the body does nothing.

You did not answer my question: So am I to understand that you deny the Biblical basis of the sinful nature (Genesis 3:22)?

 

[MB]

You are a sinner , lost, despite having a good mother
Conception is not the sin, David was already a condemned sinner

I agree but I'm not a sinner because of anyone else
MB

 

[MB]

Wrong.
Again, we were there sinning along with Adam when he sinned.

Prove we were there with scripture.
MB

 

[MB]

It was your sin condition your condition of iniquity not hers.

I didn't have a sin condition when I was born I had a propensity to sin but when I was born I was born in sin not a born sinner.
MB

 

[MB]

It is your own sin IN Adam - all died all sinned

I've never been in Adam,. this is your claim. I do not agree with you Hank. I haven't died yet I may have been considered dead before I was saved but not literally and I was not there I didn't even exist.Scripture does not say I was there. Sure we all sin but your trying to make men sinners before they exist. Scripture does not agree with you.
MB.

 

[loDebar]

You did not answer my question: So am I to understand that you deny the Biblical basis of the sinful nature (Genesis 3:22)?

I deny what is being told as the inherited sin nature from Adam which is not discussed in Gen 3 22

 

[loDebar]

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

All have sinned but with Adam not through Adam.

 

[HankD]

What that verse doesnt say is that all scripture applies to everything at all times. If you cant or dont want to answer its fine and better to just say so.

OK you have my answers from scripture let others decide if they are sufficient.
I'm through.

 

[HankD]

I didn't have a sin condition when I was born I had a propensity to sin but when I was born I was born in sin not a born sinner.
MB

You were, we all were. This is turning into a ping pong debate. I'm done. let others decide.

 

[HankD]

I've never been in Adam,. this is your claim. I do not agree with you Hank. I haven't died yet I may have been considered dead before I was saved but not literally and I was not there I didn't even exist.Scripture does not say I was there. Sure we all sin but your trying to make men sinners before they exist. Scripture does not agree with you.
MB.

Suit yourself.

People can go back and read my posts with accompanying scripture and grammatical analysis and decide for themselves.

 

[37818]

I deny what is being told as the inherited sin nature from Adam which is not discussed in Gen 3 22

God says man has become like "us" to know good and evil (Genesis 3:22). Prior to Adam and Eve acquiring this knowledge of good and evil they remained sinless.

 

[HankD]

All have sinned but with Adam not through Adam.

Both statements are wrong the main preposition from Romans 5:12 is eis in 2 places.

We all sinned in Adam.