Intentional perversion of Christ's Words

[convicted1]

The supernatural power of God to DRAW ALL is seen again in Rev 3 "I STAND at the door and KNOCK - if ANYONE HEARS my voice AND OPENS the door I WILL come in". Rev. 3:20




"Behold I STAND at the door and KNOCK" is not "fallen man left to his natural state". The context is the act of God in seeking out the lost and then getting their attention.

But the lost have a choice to make. They can choose to hear AND to open the door - or they can choose to ignore Christ.

"He came to HIS OWN and HIS OWN received Him not" John 1

The sense of the Rev 3 text is not "whoever I arbitrarily select out and cause to hear and cause to open the door - so just wait for Me and see if I might happen to select you".

All the work of God is complete in reaching the lost - He is at their very door - there is no "but they cannot hear Me" and there is no "But they cannot open the door" in the text.

The whole sense of the text has to be "set on its head" for Calvinism to even begin to work there.

There is no "Whoever I first regenerate - will hear and I will cause them to open the door" in the text - rather this is the eisegete needed in Calvinism where the text is "lacking" the Calvinist spin.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

The supernatural power of God to DRAW ALL is seen again in Rev 3 "I STAND at the door and KNOCK - if ANYONE HEARS my voice AND OPENS the door I WILL come in". Rev

It all works - if one does not eisegete meaning into the text that is not there.

There is a "crush your freewill and drag you like a zombie" insert in the Calvinist model - that is missing from scripture's view of "Draw".

Thus "He CAME to HIS OWN and HIS OWN received Him not" John 1

God crushed our stony heart and gave us a heart of flesh. This takes place with regeneration.

Indeed it does - but regeneration does not take place before the sinner chooses Christ.

The supernatural drawing of God is "sufficient" to allow the unregenerate man to choose Christ, choose the Gospel - then follows regeneration.

For "as many as are IN' CHRIST are a new creation" 2Cor 5. Man must first choose to "open that door" before Christ comes in and the new creation - made in the likeness of Christ (Christ in you the hope of Glory) takes place.

We aren't zombies, but were dead in trespasses and sins, unable to do any works in regards to being saved.

True - apart from the "Drawing of ALL" - but given the "Drawing of ALL" we are all enabled to make that choice to come to Christ.

The Holy Spirit "convicts the WORLD of sin and righteousness and judgment" - not "just the born-again".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[The Biblicist]

The supernatural power of God to DRAW ALL is seen again in Rev 3 "I STAND at the door and KNOCK - if ANYONE HEARS my voice AND OPENS the door I WILL come in". Rev. 3:20

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Your interpretation and application of this text has been thoroughly repudiated many times and exposed as false.

Furthemore, the Greek term translated "draw" is not found in this text. So the question remains where in the Greek Septuigent or Greek New Testament can you find this Greek term used where that which is drawn does not effectuall come due to the power of the one drawing?????

You talk about "spin" you can't find any text of scripture where this term is used to support your theory! Playing the RJP card is your modus operandi and the MO of all false teachers.

 

[convicted1]

The supernatural power of God to DRAW ALL is seen again in Rev 3 "I STAND at the door and KNOCK - if ANYONE HEARS my voice AND OPENS the door I WILL come in". Rev

It all works - if one does not eisegete meaning into the text that is not there.

There is a "crush your freewill and drag you like a zombie" insert in the Calvinist model - that is missing from scripture's view of "Draw".

Thus "He CAME to HIS OWN and HIS OWN received Him not" John 1



Indeed it does - but regeneration does not take place before the sinner chooses Christ.

The supernatural drawing of God is "sufficient" to allow the unregenerate man to choose Christ, choose the Gospel - then follows regeneration.

For "as many as are IN' CHRIST are a new creation" 2Cor 5. Man must first choose to "open that door" before Christ comes in and the new creation - made in the likeness of Christ (Christ in you the hope of Glory) takes place.



True - apart from the "Drawing of ALL" - but given the "Drawing of ALL" we are all enabled to make that choice to come to Christ.

The Holy Spirit "convicts the WORLD of sin and righteousness and judgment" - not "just the born-again".

in Christ,

Bob

May He richly bless you. I am finished debating, because neither side will relent.

 

[The Biblicist]

May He richly bless you. I am finished debating, because neither side will relent.

There was an entire thread dedicated to Bob's interpretation of Revelation 3:21 and he was presented with contextual based evidence that he could not give any rational reasonable response to.

I for one will not give up contextual based irrefutable facts to tirades of imagination mixed with absolute falsehoods.

Bob has only one method of dealing with scripture that opposes him and contextual evidences that repudiate his intreptations! RUN from the text and contextual based evidences, JUMP to another text in another context and then PIT it against the contextual based data! When you follow him to his RJP proof text and demonstrate he is jerking it out of context what does he do? You guessed it! He repeats the same RJP cultic practice. In other words, Bob deals dishonestly with Scripture with scriptural evidences. He openly violates basic Bible hermeneutics as do some others on this forum. That is the ONLY way they can defend their heresies.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

And after 5 pages and 51 posts, I am closing this thread before it self-ignites.

Though, I do leave y'all with this warning. Neither side should paint itself into a position that they end up the only ones saved.