Interracial Marriage

[Filmproducer]

That's just it, though. Those of us who are in "mixed race" marriages are NOT necessarily in for a hard life, neither are our children. My life has not been harder because of my husband. If anything my marriage could be considered harder because we got married at such a young age. "Race" has never been an issue for us. Yes, there are predjudiced people out there, but their opinions usually do not affect us in any way. Certainly our lives are not harder than what they would have been had we married someone of the same "race". I'm sure this has not been the case for everyone, but I would say the majority of us nowadays are not experienceing these hard lives everyone keeps mentioning. For those of you who hold that view, how exactly are our lives made harder? What makes them so dificult? Everyone keeps saying that, but no one is really talking about why they are so much more difficult.

 

[Gina B]

FP, mine was made more difficult because of a variety of factors.
Sometimes it depends on the personality of the person you're married to, sometimes it depends on where you live. There are places where mixed couples aren't accepted, and if they are it's often on a superficial level.

 

[IronWill]

I don't remember who said it first, but I do believe that it is something that is occurring because of the end times. Not that there's anything wrong with interracial marriages, just as there is nothing wrong with knowledge increasing, it's just one of the things that will help shuttle it in.

Ummm...what? How on earth do you come to that conclusion?

 

[Hope of Glory]

With a blending of everything (culture, race, religion, etc.), how much easier to force in a one world government?

It doesn't take a majority of any one thing, but a sizeable minory can make an impact.

 

[IronWill]

With a blending of everything (culture, race, religion, etc.), how much easier to force in a one world government?

It doesn't take a majority of any one thing, but a sizeable minory can make an impact.

How does intermarriage create a 'blending of religion?'

 

[Hope of Glory]

If there are no races, no different religions, nothing to distinguish (and even segregate) people, it's easier to control them through unification. But, it doesn't have to be a unification of a majority, only a plurality.

 

[AVL1984]

ALV;
Be careful for the South shall rise again and you are in for a whomping like you never had. :laugh:

LOL, Brother Bob.....I happen to live in the South, and have for over 1/2 my life, or nearly half my life...most of that time in Georgia and Tennessee. I have never though of Abraham Lincoln as a hero, though I was raised in the State of Illinois...I have always considered the "Civil War" the "War of Northern Aggression", and have several portraits of Robert E Lee hanging in my living room! :thumbs:

In the War of Northern Aggression, my mother's side of the family fought on the Union side, with my great-great-great grandfather being taken prisoner twice, once being held in Chattanooga...but, he escaped both times. He allegedly left his name in a tree on the ridge there, somewhere in a tree. It was visible back in the 1970's from what my uncles told me.

My birth fathers side of the family was from Paris, Nashville and the surrounding areas in Tennessee, but also from the S. Indiana area. His mothers side was the Tennessee side... The Grubb (sometimes Grubbs) family, and his fathers side, the Bohall's from S. Indiana.

My adoptive father's side (my mother's second husband) was from Missouri, yet were divided and fought for both sides.

During this whole thing, my family intermarried from yankee to rebel, black to white, Indian to white, Hispanic to white, and so on and so forth. My family is VERY ECLECTIC! raise:

 

[IronWill]

If there are no races, no different religions, nothing to distinguish (and even segregate) people, it's easier to control them through unification. But, it doesn't have to be a unification of a majority, only a plurality.

That doesn't explain how the 'mixing of peoples(I refuse to use the evolutionary term of races except when distinguishing between humans and others) will result in the mixing of religion. Many people who get married of different people groups get married with similar theological backgrounds.

 

[Filmproducer]

FP, mine was made more difficult because of a variety of factors.
Sometimes it depends on the personality of the person you're married to, sometimes it depends on where you live. There are places where mixed couples aren't accepted, and if they are it's often on a superficial level.

Gina,
I understand exactly what you are saying. I was really just asking the question because I wonder what is said to these couples in a pre-marriage counseling session, or the like. I was assuming that Pastor Bob counsels couples, and that he informs them that they are in for a hard life. I really was just wondering how that is clarified. Am I making any sense? :laugh:

Like you said, it depends on the personality of your spouse; which I might add, is true for any type of marriage, and also where one chooses to live. Even when we lived in KY, we did not have any problems, except from one church we attended. We have been lucky in that respect, I guess. Judging by some of the responses I've read on here, a "mixed" marriage is more trouble than it is worth.

I know I am not the only one who feels this way, either. I know many a couple in "mixed" marriages who also do not have problems or hard lives because of their spouse.

 

[Hope of Glory]

That doesn't explain how the 'mixing of peoples(I refuse to use the evolutionary term of races except when distinguishing between humans and others) will result in the mixing of religion. Many people who get married of different people groups get married with similar theological backgrounds.

The two are not related, except they are both ways for people to become less aware of distintions, and more accepting of differences.

I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, in and of itself, but can be used as a weapon.

But, as people fail to see distinctions between racial characteristics, they also fail to see distinctions between different religions. (Not necessarily the same people, but many people are impacted by actions of others.) "Oh, as long as you truly believe in what you want to believe, I'm sure God will understand."

As we do away with more and more distinctions, people become less and less discerning about other unrelated things. Easier to control to some degree.

And it doesn't take a majority, only a sizeable plurality.

Oh, and the use of "race" is quite acceptable, even in scientific circles, even if it is hotly contested. Often, it is social, rather than physical, traits that are being talked about, but they are still valid.

Click this link: Race

Also, The American Heritage Dictionary (via dictionary.com) says:

race
n.

1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology.
1. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
2. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.

 

[Ciela]

This is probably one of those topics that will go on and on and on, but really matters very little in the whole scheme of things.

Let's see. I am a born-n'-raised American with ancestral roots in Pennsylvania, Missouri, and Iowa. My ancestors are from Sweden, Ireland, Scotland, England, and Switzerland--all pale, blue-eyed as far as the mind can imagine. Oops--except..... Oh dear, Grandfather was east-coast Jewish (converted to Christianity), so I have East-Coast American and Middle Eastern Jewish blood in me as well. Thus the dark brown eyes among all the blue eyes on the other side of the family.

What does that make me? Probably a mutt My husband is full-blooded German--and in looks and ethnicity is pure Aryan--Hitler's ideal. He must be better somehow, obviously.

What's worse is that TWO of my brothers married Russian girls (our translators in Russia). So, now my nephews and one niece are even less racially "pure" than the rest of us. Many of you may not realize that there is something called "Tartar" in Russia--Russians with faint Mongolian history. My sisters in law aren't even pure Russians--they are tainted by Mongolian blood, evident by dark exotic eyes and black hair! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Aaack! What is the world coming to? And what should be done with non-racially pure people like--me? Like my sisters-in-law? Did my grandmother sin by marrying an ethnically Jewish Christian? Did that make her "lose discernment" in other areas too?

Oh dear. How astonishingly ridiculous. And to think my husband and I have considered adopting from India, Korea, or the Ukraine to raise them in a Christian home. Perpetuating this lack of discernment. Wow. I won't allow myself to be frustrated with this line of thinking, so perhaps rolling the eyes will do. I have to wonder what my grandfather would have to say in this conversation--as a little boy his family ran from a madman who relentlessly pursued racial--and mental (don't forget, Hitler exterminated the handicapped as well) purity.

Ciela

 

[Gina B]

Ciela, you're in a mess girlfriend!

Here's my suggestion.

IMEEDIATELY begin to separate the members in your family by color.

Go light, medium, dark skin.

That will make it difficult if you have light skinned people with dark hair. Hrm.

Ok, go ahead and do the skin color thing first.

Then take all the dark haired, fair skinned people and put them in the medium group.
Take the medium skinned, fair haired people in the light group.
The rest stay where they are.
You MAY wish to start a sub-group of medium skin people with dark/light hair. However, they should be slightly shunned.

Then everyone in each group should only marry people who match their skin/hair colors. This will "purify" them.

Then you'll not have all this confusion.

However, for the sake of political correctness, you should include one person from a differential group into your other groups. That person shouldn't intermarry or be treated as an insider, but should be encouraged to make token appearances at family reuninions, and should be treated a little more politely than is normal. Keep a picture of this person in your wallet, so that if you are ever accused of being prejudiced, you can whip out the photo and say "that is NOT true! Why, I even have a ______ (black, white, hispanic, jewish, middle eastern, whatever) person in my family! If push comes to shove, tell them you're 1/8th Cherokee. Everyone thinks that's really cool, and they won't accuse you of prejudice again. Don't try other tribes, for some reason Cherokee is THE coolest race to be.

Good luck, and I hope that clears up any confusion.

 

[Ciela]

What about height? Gina, there are some people in my family that are like--giants. And then there are the height-deficient (me).

You can't seriously expect me to divide these people by hair/skin/eye color and yet have the giants and runts in one group!

My best friend, Priscilla, is tall and blond. I am short and brunette. Farewell, Priscilla :wavey: . (She's Dutch anyway with such a nondescript, small tinge of Irish, it really doesn't even count (also a Nebraskan and a Husker fan so that in itself is unacceptable).

Ciela

P.S. Ever have moments where you can't read? I had one of those moments when I read your comment "you can whip out the photo and say "that is NOT true!"--I read it as "you can whip out the potatoes and say "that is NOT true!"

 

[Gina B]

This does compound the problem.

We can't have the Nephilum mixing with those of us with abbreviated stature.

However, there are no answers immediately apparent. We may have to have a short meeting on this matter.

 

[mnw]

I'll simplify it.

Seeing as the biggest and best sporting event in the world has just started, the World Cup, I have a suggestion.

Only two races - English and the rest of the world!

See, simple! :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Hope of Glory]

also a Nebraskan and a Husker fan

That should be unacceptable to any race.

 

[Brett Valentine]

I'll simplify it.

Seeing as the biggest and best sporting event in the world has just started, the World Cup, I have a suggestion.

Only two races - English and the rest of the world!

See, simple! :smilewinkgrin:

Wait a minute, I thought it was Manchester United and the rest of England. . .:tongue3:

Brett

 

[DorthyMontine]

MNW:

But then, any equation into which you throw a woman becomes signaficantly more complicated. raise: :tongue3:

It is not about whether or not complications will come, just how many.

You are just too funny!!! :applause:

 

[eyeball]

Not to derail all this good-humoredness, but I think some of the jokes possibly make light of what was a fairly productive, serious discussion about what is in much of the South still a touchy issue. On a more sober note, I submit to you the following question and scenario:

1. How are black/white couples viewed in your community, church and family? Particularly, a black man with a white woman?

2. If such a couple were to enter your church, would they recieve 'social difficulty'? We have already established in earlier posts that there is no Biblical injunction against interracial marriage, only social ones. I'm curious-- how active are these social issues then within your home church?

In my church, it is positively unheard of to see a black man with a white woman. Sure, there is no biblical rule forbidding it, but people always seem to somehow find reason to make sure things like that don't happen, or if they do, that the couple never finds it way, shall we say, into the community's good graces. Nobody goes so far as to say it's racism-- it's just 'parents protecting daughters,' or 'families discouraging their relatives from making mistakes' or any number of ways to say 'we make sure things like that don't happen'.

 

[gekko]

"but people always seem to somehow find reason to make sure things like that don't happen, or if they do, that the couple never finds it way, shall we say, into the community's good graces. Nobody goes so far as to say it's racism-- it's just 'parents protecting daughters,' or 'families discouraging their relatives from making mistakes' or any number of ways to say 'we make sure things like that don't happen'."

that is pure racism and descrimination hiding beneath a mask of professing light.