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Is 1 John 2:2 Really a defence of Universal Atonement?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by jne1611, Sep 25, 2006.

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  1. jne1611

    jne1611 Member

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    Refer back to last post. Maybe you can find the wicked in there. Jeepers!
     
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    If you don't quit making up stuff and saying I said it I will be forced to stop answering you.

    Question:
    Are you Dale-C
     
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    Yea. Those you say he loves! That sounds pretty off to me!:smilewinkgrin:
     
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    No. Don't know who Dale - C is.
    Exactly what are you referring to making up?
     
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    Well, I see you are pushing to have the thread shut down. I explained to you over and over but I think you have a mental block or something but maybe I am not very good at explaining it, who knows. Never seen anyone able to tell a Calvinist anything yet.

    Because He gave them a choice and they got themselves in that kind of condition, yes it is real love. A lot better Love than creating men just to burn them without a choice.
     
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    I noticed we are headed to the end of the line on this round. We will not agree on this I am sure. It is good for us both to challenge our views though. It encourages study. If we were talking about other things I have seen you post on, I believe you would find that you and I agree on a lot of things. This is just not one of them.
     
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    I am sure we would and this is a much better way of conversing.
     
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    If you would think that over, you would not find the kind of reason in it that you do now. A better way of expressing His love would to Have saved them. Which is exactly what He does for those He loves! Well I am leaving it to you. I'll be back.
     
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    Yea, create zillions and love a few of them sure is a God of Love while He burns the rest.
     
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    Also. I don't want to end on bad terms with you. I like your vigilance for what you believe. It is the only way to get to the truth. So understand there is no malice in what I post to you & I want the whole thread to know it. If you believe in the blood of Christ as a full salvation. I count you my brother in the Lord.
     
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    Same here, I argue with Calvinist all the time but still love them.
     
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    Check Rom. 9. That is the same issue Paul supposes to the doctrine of predestination.
     
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    Amen to that! I only draw the line when it comes to making salvation conditioned on works like a stanch believer in free will does when he says you can be lost after salvation. Well I am going to see my dad. See ya.
     
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    You don't think I haven't checked it do you? Read the last verse.

    Oh, I don't believe in losing your salvation at all. I believe we are kept by the power of God.
     
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    No. But it never hurts to remind of it.:smilewinkgrin:
     
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    I know. I have read your posts. If you know what you are looking for. You can tell those who believe in eternal security.
     
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    Romans 9
    It is all to Israel and the last verse takes care of the rest of us.
     
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    Don't forget verse 24. And I sure hope we fit into verse 8.:praying:
     
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    Ok...
    lets change it to your wording Bob...

    1)...."I said it was God's will that not any perish." <<<<<your own words

    2)....God foreknows who will go to hell

    3)....Cain went to hell

    Why did not God come back before Cain was born, if His will was to save all men?????


    Bob said....I told you God loved all, because He knew what man would do does not mean He caused it.


    Bob said....James, you need to quit trying to bring God down on the Calvinist level.[/QUOTE]

    Bob...these are your ideas. I did not force them on you...you used your freewill to choose these idea. Please do not get mad at me. I only place them all on the page at the same time.
     
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    James this is the twist you are trying to put on my words.

    2)....God foreknows who will go to hell Yes

    3)....Cain went to hell I don't know

    Why did not God come back before Cain was born, if His

    will was to save all men?????


    We have no right to question

    God on why He even made man to start with. A God that

    gives all a choice and lets a man reap what he sows has

    more love than a God who creates zillions, pick a few to be

    saved and burn the rest. I will stay with my God James.


    I would be playing God if I put myself in the position you

    are asking James.

    If you want to debate Scripture then I will do that James but I don't care for this supposing game, I think it makes a

    mockery of God's word. We can't change anything that God has ordained and I don't want to try. peace,


    Why do you say that I think God hated anyone, before they were ever born? I said God knew what they would do, and

    whether they would be believers or not, but I have never said God hated anyone before they were born. God hates evil

    and wickedness. I personally don't know if God hates those in hell or not but suppose He surely hates their deeds and

    probably them also for He hated Esau and the deeds of the Nicholadions. I don't know if I have ever read of Him hating

    those in Hell but He probably does. I don't think I have said that but could be wrong for I have no way of knowing and I

    am not one to start supposing.
     
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