Is 1 John 2:2 Really a defence of Universal Atonement?

[jne1611]

You are so far off its not funny. It is the wicked he will send strong delusions. jeepers :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead:

Refer back to last post. Maybe you can find the wicked in there. Jeepers!

 

[Brother Bob]

So He does not want them to perish, but He is not going to keep it from happening? He loves them, but He knows He is going to cast them to the fire? He created them knowing that He would cast them to eternal fire? Is that your idea of love? If so, no wander you find your self modifying your stance on this issue constantly. It is so much easier to believe the whole truth. Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. He says this as though he knows that someone will say "all things" That sounds Calvinistic! Surely he doesn't mean the lost as well! Not God!

If you don't quit making up stuff and saying I said it I will be forced to stop answering you.

Question:
Are you Dale-C

 

[jne1611]

You are so far off its not funny. It is the wicked he will send strong delusions. jeepers :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead:

Yea. Those you say he loves! That sounds pretty off to me!:smilewinkgrin:

 

[jne1611]

If you don't quit making up stuff and saying I said it I will be forced to stop answering you.

Question:
Are you Dale-C

No. Don't know who Dale - C is.
Exactly what are you referring to making up?

 

[Brother Bob]

Yea. Those you say he loves! That sounds pretty off to me!:smilewinkgrin:

Well, I see you are pushing to have the thread shut down. I explained to you over and over but I think you have a mental block or something but maybe I am not very good at explaining it, who knows. Never seen anyone able to tell a Calvinist anything yet.

So He does not want them to perish, but He is not going to keep it from happening? He loves them, but He knows He is going to cast them to the fire? He created them knowing that He would cast them to eternal fire? Is that your idea of love?

Because He gave them a choice and they got themselves in that kind of condition, yes it is real love. A lot better Love than creating men just to burn them without a choice.

 

[jne1611]

Well, I see you are pushing to have the thread shut down. I explained to you over and over but I think you have a mental block or something but maybe I am not very good at explaining it, who knows. Never seen anyone able to tell a Calvinist anything yet.

I noticed we are headed to the end of the line on this round. We will not agree on this I am sure. It is good for us both to challenge our views though. It encourages study. If we were talking about other things I have seen you post on, I believe you would find that you and I agree on a lot of things. This is just not one of them.

 

[Brother Bob]

I noticed we are headed to the end of the line on this round. We will not agree on this I am sure. It is good for us both to challenge our views though. It encourages study. If we were talking about other things I have seen you post on, I believe you would find that you and I agree on a lot of things. This is just not one of them.

I am sure we would and this is a much better way of conversing.

 

[jne1611]

Well, I see you are pushing to have the thread shut down. I explained to you over and over but I think you have a mental block or something but maybe I am not very good at explaining it, who knows. Never seen anyone able to tell a Calvinist anything yet.


Because He gave them a choice and they got themselves in that kind of condition, yes it is real love. A lot better Love than creating men just to burn them without a choice.

If you would think that over, you would not find the kind of reason in it that you do now. A better way of expressing His love would to Have saved them. Which is exactly what He does for those He loves! Well I am leaving it to you. I'll be back.

 

[Brother Bob]

If you would think that over, you would not find the kind of reason in it that you do now. A better way of expressing His love would to Have saved them. Which is exactly what He does for those He loves! Well I am leaving it to you. I'll be back.

Yea, create zillions and love a few of them sure is a God of Love while He burns the rest.

 

[jne1611]

I am sure we would and this is a much better way of conversing.

Also. I don't want to end on bad terms with you. I like your vigilance for what you believe. It is the only way to get to the truth. So understand there is no malice in what I post to you & I want the whole thread to know it. If you believe in the blood of Christ as a full salvation. I count you my brother in the Lord.

 

[Brother Bob]

Same here, I argue with Calvinist all the time but still love them.

 

[jne1611]

Yea, create zillions and love a few of them sure is a God of Love while He burns the rest.

Check Rom. 9. That is the same issue Paul supposes to the doctrine of predestination.

 

[jne1611]

Same here, I argue with Calvinist all the time but still love them.

Amen to that! I only draw the line when it comes to making salvation conditioned on works like a stanch believer in free will does when he says you can be lost after salvation. Well I am going to see my dad. See ya.

 

[Brother Bob]

You don't think I haven't checked it do you? Read the last verse.

Amen to that! I only draw the line when it comes to making salvation conditioned on works like a stanch believer in free will does when he says you can be lost after salvation. Well I am going to see my dad. See ya.

Oh, I don't believe in losing your salvation at all. I believe we are kept by the power of God.

 

[jne1611]

You don't think I haven't checked it do you?

No. But it never hurts to remind of it.:smilewinkgrin:

 

[jne1611]

You don't think I haven't checked it do you?


Oh, I don't believe in losing your salvation at all. I believe we are kept by the power of God.

I know. I have read your posts. If you know what you are looking for. You can tell those who believe in eternal security.

 

[Brother Bob]

Romans 9
It is all to Israel and the last verse takes care of the rest of us.

 

[jne1611]

Romans 9
It is all to Israel and the last verse takes care of the rest of us.

Don't forget verse 24. And I sure hope we fit into verse 8.raying:

 

[Jarthur001]

You blew it on #1.

I said it was God's will that not any perish.

I never said it was His goal.

You are putting in your own words now.

I said if it was His goal that He could do anything He wanted.

So, it makes the rest mute when you missed the first one.

Are you as mortal man beginning to question God on His creation. I think we better leave that part up to Him. Even if you

don't you have to.

I told you God loved all, because He knew what man would do does not mean He caused it.

You of course know that Jesus stood as a slain Lamb before the foundation of the world don't you?

Don't that tell you God knew some men were not going to believe.

If God is all in all, would you question He knows who will believe and who will not being He is outside of time He sees

today who will choose him and repent and be added to the church. Now that is great isn't it?

James, you need to quit trying to bring God down on the Calvinist level.

Ok...
lets change it to your wording Bob...

1)...."I said it was God's will that not any perish." <<<<<your own words

2)....God foreknows who will go to hell

3)....Cain went to hell

Why did not God come back before Cain was born, if His will was to save all men?????


Bob said....I told you God loved all, because He knew what man would do does not mean He caused it.


Bob said....James, you need to quit trying to bring God down on the Calvinist level.[/QUOTE]

Bob...these are your ideas. I did not force them on you...you used your freewill to choose these idea. Please do not get mad at me. I only place them all on the page at the same time.

 

[Brother Bob]

Bob...these are your ideas. I did not force them on you...you used your freewill to choose these idea. Please do not get mad at me. I only place them all on the page at the same time.

James this is the twist you are trying to put on my words.

2)....God foreknows who will go to hell Yes

3)....Cain went to hell I don't know

Why did not God come back before Cain was born, if His

will was to save all men?????


We have no right to question

God on why He even made man to start with. A God that

gives all a choice and lets a man reap what he sows has

more love than a God who creates zillions, pick a few to be

saved and burn the rest. I will stay with my God James.


I would be playing God if I put myself in the position you

are asking James.

If you want to debate Scripture then I will do that James but I don't care for this supposing game, I think it makes a

mockery of God's word. We can't change anything that God has ordained and I don't want to try. peace,


Why do you say that I think God hated anyone, before they were ever born? I said God knew what they would do, and

whether they would be believers or not, but I have never said God hated anyone before they were born. God hates evil

and wickedness. I personally don't know if God hates those in hell or not but suppose He surely hates their deeds and

probably them also for He hated Esau and the deeds of the Nicholadions. I don't know if I have ever read of Him hating

those in Hell but He probably does. I don't think I have said that but could be wrong for I have no way of knowing and I

am not one to start supposing.