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Is 1 John 2:2 Really a defence of Universal Atonement?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by jne1611, Sep 25, 2006.

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  1. Brother Bob

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    Hi James;
    you ole calvinist you. lol :laugh: :laugh:
     
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  2. jne1611

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    Bro. Bob, have you ever studied the significance of the word propitiation, ransom, advocate? If your answer is yes. Then you must know that these terms are not intended to propound something that is potential, but actual. Christ came to save his people from their sins.
     
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    No, but does mean she could of repented. Kinda blows the pre elect does it not?
     
    #23 Brother Bob, Sep 25, 2006
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    Not of herself.
     
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    Always said and still do that Calvinist has to spend most of their time changing the meaning of the words of the Scripture. You just proved it again.

    The point is she could have but didn't. Well if she could have then all those in hell "could have".
     
    #25 Brother Bob, Sep 25, 2006
  6. jne1611

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    James has a good point. I can go a little further. The Old Testament was a shadow of the New. Was the blood shed for all in the Old?
     
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    No the difference between us is I study words before I plaster them on a thread as evidence of a doctrinal stand.
     
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    Jeepers are you accusing me of doing wrong because I post the Scriptures?
     
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    That sounds all well and good, but considering that man must be ,drawn, taught, & resurrected from death unto life, that task might just prove hard for her & them to do on their own.
     
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    I summit and you can find this in Lev....

    The blood was shed for ALL the sins of the nation. Each one. It says something like..."no matter what the sin"...my words..to lazy to look it up.

    But..........

    what about the other nations?
     
    #30 Jarthur001, Sep 25, 2006
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    It was made James but must be received to be complete, and that is through belief.
     
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    Nope. I told you I liked your Scriptures you posted. I just suggested you study words that are significant to the atonement & your reply was that I am changing words of the Bible. My point is a study of those words.
     
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    Are you denying the word of God? He said she could of repented but she didn't.
     
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    You got it. No talk of blood being shed for the other nations.
     
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    If they accepted Israel's God, yes

    was Jezebel of that nation?
     
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    He never said she could have repented. You said that. I could ask are you adding to the Word of God, but I want to talk to you without the fussing.:tongue3:
     
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    Rev 2:21And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

    If God allows you a chance to repent then can you repent? You do err.
     
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    What are you driving at. That the blood was in fact shed for the other nations?
     
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    You could say that the whole of humanity has a chance to repent right now, but would you agree that they would have to be drawn to Christ in order to be able to repent?
     
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    space = 1 : a period of time

    If she had of taken God of on His offer then the blood would of covered her too. There were some who were not of the Nation of Israel but had accepted Israel's God and they were covered.
     
    #40 Brother Bob, Sep 25, 2006
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