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Is 1 John 2:2 Really a defence of Universal Atonement?

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jne1611

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Brother Bob said:
He died for all but we must believe to receive that blood applied to our soul and wash away our sins.
1 Timothy, chapter 2
5: For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6: Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
7: Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
8: I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting

2Cr 5:15 And [that] he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.


1 John, chapter 2
1: My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3: And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
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Bro. Bob, have you ever studied the significance of the word propitiation, ransom, advocate? If your answer is yes. Then you must know that these terms are not intended to propound something that is potential, but actual. Christ came to save his people from their sins.
 
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Bro. Bob, have you ever studied the significance of the word propitiation, ransom, advocate? If your answer is yes. Then you must know that these terms are not intended to propound something that is potential, but actual. Christ came to save his people from their sins.
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Always said and still do that Calvinist has to spend most of their time changing the meaning of the words of the Scripture. You just proved it again.

Not of herself.
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The point is she could have but didn't. Well if she could have then all those in hell "could have".
 
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jne1611

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James has a good point. I can go a little further. The Old Testament was a shadow of the New. Was the blood shed for all in the Old?
 
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jne1611

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Brother Bob said:
Always said and still do that Calvinist has to spend most of their time changing the meaning of the words of the Scripture. You just proved it again.
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No the difference between us is I study words before I plaster them on a thread as evidence of a doctrinal stand.
 
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Brother Bob said:
Always said and still do that Calvinist has to spend most of their time changing the meaning of the words of the Scripture. You just proved it again.


The point is she could have but didn't. Well if she could have then all those in hell "could have".
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That sounds all well and good, but considering that man must be ,drawn, taught, & resurrected from death unto life, that task might just prove hard for her & them to do on their own.
 
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jne1611 said:
James has a good point. I can go a little further. The Old Testament was a shadow of the New. Was the blood shed for all in the Old?
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I summit and you can find this in Lev....

The blood was shed for ALL the sins of the nation. Each one. It says something like..."no matter what the sin"...my words..to lazy to look it up.

But..........

what about the other nations?
 
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Brother Bob said:
Jeepers are you accusing me of doing wrong because I post the Scriptures?
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Nope. I told you I liked your Scriptures you posted. I just suggested you study words that are significant to the atonement & your reply was that I am changing words of the Bible. My point is a study of those words.
 
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That sounds all well and good, but considering that man must be ,drawn, taught, & resurrected from death unto life, that task might just prove hard for her & them to do on their own.
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Are you denying the word of God? He said she could of repented but she didn't.
 
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Jarthur001 said:
I summit and you can find this in Lev....

The blood was shed for ALL the sins of the nation. Each one. It says something like..."no matter what the sin"...my words..to lazy to look it up.

But..........

what about the other nations?
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You got it. No talk of blood being shed for the other nations.
 
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Brother Bob said:
Are you denying the word of God? He said she could of repented but she didn't.
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He never said she could have repented. You said that. I could ask are you adding to the Word of God, but I want to talk to you without the fussing.:tongue3:
 
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Brother Bob said:
Rev 2:21And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

If God allows you a chance to repent then can you repent?
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You could say that the whole of humanity has a chance to repent right now, but would you agree that they would have to be drawn to Christ in order to be able to repent?
 
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What are you driving at. That the blood was in fact shed for the other nations?
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space = 1 : a period of time

If she had of taken God of on His offer then the blood would of covered her too. There were some who were not of the Nation of Israel but had accepted Israel's God and they were covered.
 
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