Is 1 John 2:2 Really a defence of Universal Atonement?

[jne1611]

Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

 

[Brother Bob]

You could say that the whole of humanity has a chance to repent right now, but would you agree that they would have to be drawn to Christ in order to be able to repent?

Now you come my way. There is the Spirit of God that strives with all men for He said I stand at the door and knock and if any man will hear my voice I will come in and sup with him and he with me. Now that Spirit is striving and if man will believe and take heed to that Spirit he can be saved. Also, there is a spirit of the devil striving with that same man and man is at a cross roads and must choose which spirit he will follow. amen,

 

[Brother Bob]

Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Sure if you will believe.

 

[jne1611]

Now you come my way. There is the Spirit of God that strives with all men for He said I stand at the door and knock and if any man will hear my voice I will come in and sup with him and he with me. Now that Spirit is striving and if man will believe and take heed to that Spirit he can be saved. Also, there is a spirit of the devil striving with that same man and man is at a cross roads and must choose which spirit he will follow. amen,

I see how you are thinking. What do you believe the Spirit does to a man when he is drawn? Just simply invites him to accept Christ & leaves it up to him to choose?

 

[Brother Bob]

James:
Where you at, was jezebele of that Nation?

Were there others of other nations who had accepted Israel's God?

 

[jne1611]

Sure if you will believe.

Now I ask you. Do you produce faith? Or does God give it to you?

 

[jne1611]

James:
Where you at, was jezebele of that Nation?

Were there others of other nations who had accepted Israel's God?

He may be asleep. He sounded tired.

 

[Jarthur001]

space = 1 : a period of time

If she had of taken God of on His offer then the blood would of covered her too. There were some who were not of the Nation of Israel but had accepted Israel's God and they were covered.

Lets say this is true.....

was the atonement for all mankind in the OT?

 

[Brother Bob]

Now I ask you. Do you produce faith? Or does God give it to you?

Man is given a measure of faith and he must put it in action as Mary chose the "good part that would never be taken away" we too must use that measure of faith and choose the good part.

 

[Brother Bob]

Lets say this is true.....

was the atonement for all mankind in the OT?

James;
You know I am going to take you to a "timeless" God now that knows all for He is everlasting to everlasting.

BTW, I knew you were studying about that last post I made for we discussed that before.

 

[Jarthur001]

James:
Where you at, was jezebele of that Nation?

Were there others of other nations who had accepted Israel's God?

which jezebele?

The one in the OT was a jew in that she married Ahab, the king of Israel.


The one in rev...I do not know.

 

[jne1611]

Man is given a measure of faith and he must put it in action as Mary chose the "good part that would never be taken away" we too must use that measure of faith and choose the good part.

Now we are getting some where. Who then are the believers, but those who God has given faith to?

 

[Brother Bob]

which jezebele?

The one in the OT was a jew in that she married Ahab, the king of Israel.


The one in rev...I do not know.

I never heard a strawman like that James
We been talking about the one in Rev. I even gave chapter and verse.

 

[Jarthur001]

I never heard a strawman like that James
We been talking about the one in Rev. I even gave chapter and verse.

Ok...is the one in Rev a jew?

 

[Brother Bob]

Now we are getting some where. Who then are the believers, but those who God has given faith to?

He gave the measure of faith to all men. The believers are those that use that faith to follow the Spirit to Salvation.

 

[jne1611]

I never heard a strawman like that James
We been talking about the one in Rev. I even gave chapter and verse.

I don't think he was making a straw man. I even thought you might have been including the one in the Old Testament as well.

 

[Brother Bob]

Ok...is the one in Rev a jew?

You tell me but if she was why was she lost?

 

[jne1611]

He gave the measure of faith to all men. The believers are those that use that faith to follow the Spirit to Salvation.

2Th 3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

 

[Brother Bob]

I don't think he was making a straw man. I even thought you might have been including the one in the Old Testament as well.

Then you just posting and not reading the answers for I gave Chapter and verse the first time she was mentioned and you knew who I was talking about for I could tell by your answers.

 

[Brother Bob]

2Th 3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

All men have not the faith that was delivered unto the saints. Also, there are those who have had the concious seared with a heart iron, I doubt if they have any faith at all. But who knows, even the devil believed.