Is 1 John 2:2 Really a defence of Universal Atonement?

[Brother Bob]

Thus...God works both in time....and outside of time. agree?

Agree James;​

 

[Brother Bob]

God never said anything whatsoever about Pharaoh choosing anything. He said I will harden his heart. So when God said let my people go, could Pharaoh have done this? Look in the Bible. When Paul uses this account as an illustration. It is clear he is not talking about free - will! For if that was his thrust, why the supposition that they would then say "Why doth He yet find fault? For who hath resisted His will?"

I said what I say, God used him for what he was. Same as Judas.

 

[jne1611]

At least it was their choice even though God foresaw it.
It is not near as weird as God creating people just to burn them which is your belief.

That is pretty strange that you see that as a logical explanation. Your idea that God Burns what He loves seems the stranger of the two.

 

[Brother Bob]

Its been fun and LeBuick I look forward to working with your friend on here. Maybe we can convert him. lol
I am going to bed so have a good nite all, peace

 

[Jarthur001]

Agree James;​

I hardly get one of these...so I may quit on that note.

I got work to do anyway.

Have a good one...


In Christ...James

 

[jne1611]

I said what I say, God used him for what he was. Same as Judas.

You have said nothing because you are stuck. You say God's command to repent automatically means that the receiving party has the ability to repent. Well here you have God commanding something that He has proclaimed can not happen in the case of Pharaoh.

 

[Brother Bob]

That is pretty strange that you see that as a logical explanation. Your idea that God Burns what He loves seems the stranger of the two

Not near as strange when he is supposed to be LOVE and creates to hate and burn according to your belief.

 

[LeBuick]

All of creation is made up of Time, space and matter. You cannot remove one from the other. A rock which is matter takes up space on earth, for a given time. All of creation is like this.

This is Man's understanding and you are trying to limit God to it.

How could heaven be so far that man has reached the moon and atmospheres but has yet to see heaven. Remember, it's so close you can get there in a twinkling of an eye. Time? That is for man.

You sould like those who was around Lassurus when they said Jesus was late. Jesus late????

 

[jne1611]

Its been fun and LeBuick I look forward to working with your friend on here. Maybe we can convert him. lol
I am going to bed so have a good nite all, peace

:wavey:Night all!

 

[Brother Bob]

You have said nothing because you are stuck. You say God's command to repent automatically means that the receiving party has the ability to repent. Well here you have God commanding something that He has proclaimed can not happen in the case of Pharaoh.

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Scripture says time and chance has happened to all and that include pharaoh.

 

[LeBuick]

Its been fun and LeBuick I look forward to working with your friend on here. Maybe we can convert him. lol
I am going to bed so have a good nite all, peace

Bring a BIG stick... Just kidding Cal.

 

[jne1611]

Not near as strange when he is supposed to be LOVE and creates to hate and burn according to your belief.

Well explain how he ceases to be love when He damns them in hell. Watch out, your digging yourself a hole.

 

[jne1611]

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Scripture says time and chance has happened to all and that include pharaoh.

That has nothing to do with the question.

 

[LeBuick]

Well explain how he ceases to be love when He damns them in hell. Watch out, your digging yourself a hole.

He didn't damn them to hell, they went to hell by not believing on the son. You calvinist are the ones who say they were born to burn in hell. Glad God didn't make me eternal fuel.

 

[Jarthur001]

This is Man's understanding and you are trying to limit God to it.

How could heaven be so far that man has reached the moon and atmospheres but has yet to see heaven. Remember, it's so close you can get there in a twinkling of an eye. Time? That is for man.

You sould like those who was around Lassurus when they said Jesus was late. Jesus late????

Lebuick...come back tomorrow night...I will share what time is. This is not my idea...this is fact.

I have church tomorrow night, so it will be late. But I think it will be worth your "time".


Peace to you..


In Christ...James

 

[Brother Bob]

Well explain how he ceases to be love when He damns them in hell. Watch out, your digging yourself a hole.

Thanks for the warning but I haven't seen a hole yet I can't get out of.
He say his spirit will not strive with man always and there are those who have their hearts seared with a hot iron they have been turned over to a hardness of heart to believe a lie and be damned. bless,

 

[jne1611]

I am going to bed. Lord Willing. I shall return.

 

[jne1611]

Thanks for the warning but I haven't seen a hole yet I can't get out of.
He say his spirit will not strive with man always and there are those who have their hearts seared with a hot iron they have been turned over to a hardness of heart to believe a lie and be damned. bless,

Still no answer. I think you see that hole a little better than you say.

 

[Brother Bob]

I think you got nothing else to say. peace,

 

[jne1611]

He didn't damn them to hell, they went to hell by not believing on the son. You calvinist are the ones who say they were born to burn in hell. Glad God didn't make me eternal fuel.

I am to.:thumbs: