According to the textual apparatus I have (UBS 4th Edition, 1993), verses 9-11 are in over 900 ancient Greek manuscripts of Mark and missing in only three. In one of those (Vaticanus, I think) the scribe has left a space for the verses, showing at the very least that he was aware of their existence. It is in the 5th Century Codex Alexandrinus and other early uncials.
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Is all of Mark inspired by God?
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To the OP I have this to say:
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Is Mark part of all scripture?... Enough said!... Brother Glen
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Is Mark part of all scripture?... Enough said!... Brother Glen
Complete and eternal healing, yes. The healing of diseases here on ol earth is another matter. That still goes on. We are not guaranteed healing, but it is in the cards if we pray and it is His will.
The OP asks if any of us agree that the KJV ending of Mark is legit. The right question is whether any Bible scholars, conservative or liberal consider it authentic. The answer from my long experience of attending the Society of Biblical Literature is very few. One old manuscript of Mark's ending even identifies the inventor of this ending, Aristo of Pella (165 AD)! I mean, do you really want a Bible that makes drinking poison and picking up poisonous snakes is actually presented as a "sign" of the true believer?! What a way to put God to the test! And no, it doesn't specify accidental poisoning or snake-handling a la Acts 27:3.i
I know the worship leader of our large local Baptist church. He is appalled that his pastor still uses the KJV. My aunt attended Gordon Fee's church that wanted him to use the KJV for their group Bible studies. Iind his approach amusing. As they progressed through a chapter, Dr. Fee would oftgen say, "stroke that out of your Bible. It's not the Word of God! Let's move on." He had written an excellent book on Text Criticism.
I know the worship leader of our large local Baptist church. He is appalled that his pastor still uses the KJV. My aunt attended Gordon Fee's church that wanted him to use the KJV for their group Bible studies. Iind his approach amusing. As they progressed through a chapter, Dr. Fee would oftgen say, "stroke that out of your Bible. It's not the Word of God! Let's move on." He had written an excellent book on Text Criticism.
The most popular translation (KJV) and other versions have included it, no? So you would be claiming they were not inspired. Could not God oversee the whole process of getting His word to man, including the selection of books included?
How could calling for the elders of the church to pray for people and anoint them with oil be outdated? Who cares if oil was 'considered' a medicine or not?
No the question is not what various bible scholars think. We need people able to detect inspiration, not doubt it.
Yes I have heard him a few times and looked at a youtube video last night where he mentions it again. That is why I started the thread.
OK, so you lean toward accepting all of Mark as inspired.
(1) You obviously have not googled a good documentary on the history of the KJV translation process. The KJV translators included drunks and womanizers who neverless were great scholars, but hardly inspired!
(2a0 Due largely to sleepy scribes, there are 400,000 conflicting readings in NT Greek manuscripts. The KJV is based on the latest and therefore the most corrupt Byzantine manuscripts because the best and most reliable manuscripts had not yet been discovered.
That almost sounds biblical. They accused Jesus of being friends with drunks and prostitutes. God uses imperfect people, there are no other kind!
Where did you pull that out of?
SavedByGrace
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To the OP I have this to say:
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Is Mark part of all scripture?... Enough said!... Brother Glen
yeah, but this only applies for the ORIGINAL AUTOGRAPHA! and not any of the translations!
No, there's not such instruction or declaration of that. But Mark 16:17-18 does say "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not harm them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.” But certainly it does not say "anyone who ever lives" can do those things-- but those who have believed.
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Well Paul was bitten by a serpent and God did heal him from the poison. The apostles also healed the sick. And yes it does say whatsoever we ask, it will be done. That did not exclude poison. That might be a good verse to claim for those that took the vaccine! Don't worry God can heal you even if there are some bad effects possible or soon to be revealed.
Well Paul was bitten by a serpent and God did heal him from the poison. The apostles also healed the sick. And yes it does say whatsoever we ask, it will be done. That did not exclude poison. That might be a good verse to claim for those that took the vaccine! Don't worry God can heal you even if there are some bad effects possible or soon to be revealed.
Great, and so? Have you a point. Most of those signs are known to have already happened. And if there are no recorded cases of God healing someone poisoned, maybe there ill be still! So? Were you suggesting that verse was a lie?
It does not specify all who believe can or will do those things.
Have you proof Mark did not write it? If he did and it was included later then it is original autographa.
SavedByGrace
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my point is that only the Original Autographs are Inspired direcrtly by God the Holy Spirit. This does not extend to any of the translations that we have, like the LXX, Vulgate, KJV, ESV, NIV, etc, etc.
I have already shown in this thread, that the ending as found in the KJV, is Inspired by the Holy Spirit, and part of the Gospel of Mark. Regardless of what the likes of Metzger or Wallace might say!
OK. I have no problem thinking that God can also inspire translators.
SavedByGrace
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the same way that He does the Original Autographs? This is IMPOSSIBLE! The Holy Spirit can GUIDE those who translate His Word, but no "Inspiration" is possible.
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No? Is there a verse for that? Why can't God inspire folks? He wants His word out there for man. Part of that involves the ones who He had write the books, but does it not also include those who choose what books to include, and who get it all together?
SavedByGrace
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when the Bible says, "All Scripture in God-breathed" (2 Timothy 3:16); and "knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture came into being of its own private interpretation. For prophecy was not borne at any time by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke being borne along by the Holy Spirit" (2 Peter 1:20-21), it means that God the Holy Spirit DICTATED His Words to the Writers of the 66 Books of the Holy Bible, and they simply wrote what The Spirit told them to. This is ONE-OFF, and never to be repeated, which makes the Bible UNIQUE as the Only Word of Almighty God! There is not a single verse in the Bible that says any translation can be "Inspired"!
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