Is all sin the same

[Van]

I am not understanding your view. I agree death is a separation - from life. God is the source of life. There is a separation from the life from God. Both the body and soul die in the eternal torment. What does not die is what are called the persons who perish worm (not worms). Christ on the cross Psalms 22:6, "I am a worm . . . ." The lost, Mark 9:48, "Their worm does not die." So the torment does not end.

The issue is the separation caused by sin.

 

[robycop3]

I think Matt. 10;15 answers the OP question completely. Hell won't be fun for anyone, but some will suffer more than others, depending on their sin. Those among US who will end up there are in for a horrible eternity, as we've been told all that God has made available for man to know about Jesus, but some will reject Him anyway by not coming to Him in repentance & belief, calling on Him by name for His forgiveness of one's sins & in submission. That's why He said it'd be less-tolerable for Capernaum, which heard & saw some of His miracles.

I hope EVERYONE who reads and/or posts here is, or will be, saved.

 

[1689Dave]

Some will say that whether you steal one small candy bar from Wal-Mart - or you rob a bank of a million dollars - to God their is no difference as sin is sin.

Others will say that if you commit a horrendous crime - say extreme abuse of a child - there is a special place in Hell for you.

So do you believe that God differentiates our sin - or is that classification reserved for our limited thinking?

Open for discussion

There are degrees of punishment for sin. He who knew little will be beaten with fewer stripes, etc.

“But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.” Matthew 11:22–24 (KJV 1900)

 

[Alcott]

Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over Me at all, if it had not been given to you from above; for this reason the one who handed Me over to you has the greater sin” [John 19:11].

 

[tyndale1946]

Some will say that whether you steal one small candy bar from Wal-Mart - or you rob a bank of a million dollars - to God their is no difference as sin is sin.

Others will say that if you commit a horrendous crime - say extreme abuse of a child - there is a special place in Hell for you.

So do you believe that God differentiates our sin - or is that classification reserved for our limited thinking?

Open for discussion

Sin is sin and there is no excuse for it and looking back on my life I've had and if the Lord counted all my sins against me and was not forgiving when I pray and repent, I would be doing the fire dance... I cannot fathom one in hell in torment turning to another one and saying, what are you here for?... I killed man is cold blood!... And you?... I stole a candy bar from Wal-Mart, I really wanted to put it back... But I ate it!... I do believe that the Lord paid for ALL my sins, even the candy bar I can remember at this time, if I stole it, ate it. or not?... But I know for sure I NEVER robbed a bank!... But the Lords knows all about me and I pray Gods loving mercy, will outweigh my sinful stupidity... Brother Glen

 

[1689Dave]

Sin is sin and there is no excuse for it and looking back on my life I've had and if the Lord counted all my sins against me and was not forgiving when I pray and repent, I would be doing the fire dance... I cannot fathom one in hell in torment turning to another one and saying, what are you here for?... I killed man is cold blood!... And you?... I stole a candy bar from Wal-Mart, I really wanted to put it back... But I ate it!... I do believe that the Lord paid for ALL my sins, even the candy bar I can remember at this time, if I stole it, ate it. or not?... But I know for sure I NEVER robbed a bank!... But the Lords knows all about me and I pray Gods loving mercy, will outweigh my sinful stupidity... Brother Glen

I'm as rotten as it gets when it comes to indulging in a sinful life. And it has always bothered me that God cannot forget even though he forgives. So my favorite verse is is “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; Though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.” Isaiah 1:18 (KJV 1900)

I rarely sin outwardly since experiencing the New Birth. But the flesh rages against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh all day long. And I thank the Lord for crucifying my flesh daily.

 

[tyndale1946]

I'm as rotten as it gets when it comes to indulging in a sinful life. And it has always bothered me that God cannot forget even though he forgives. So my favorite verse is is “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; Though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.” Isaiah 1:18 (KJV 1900)

I rarely sin outwardly since experiencing the New Birth. But the flesh rages against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh all day long. And I thank the Lord for crucifying my flesh daily.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Dave... If we get to Heaven, it won't be to any goodness we've done but what the Lord did for us!... Brother Glen

 

[1689Dave]

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Dave... If I we to Heaven, it won't be to any goodness we've done but what the Lord did for us!... Brother Glen

Amen!! It's hard to get cocky when you look back on it all.

 

[37818]

The issue is the separation caused by sin.

That is only referenced in regard to prayer under the Law, Isaiah 59:2. Do you have any Scripture as to the lost being in the eternal Hell fire separated from God?

Revelation 14:10-11, ". . . shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, . . ." But does that mean God the Father of the Lamb is not there?

 

[kyredneck]

I'm as rotten as it gets when it comes to indulging in a sinful life. And it has always bothered me that God cannot forget even though he forgives. So my favorite verse is is “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; Though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.” Isaiah 1:18 (KJV 1900)

I rarely sin outwardly since experiencing the New Birth. But the flesh rages against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh all day long. And I thank the Lord for crucifying my flesh daily.

No new thing under the sun. Read Paul in Romans 7 and find solace.

[add]

Oops! Tyndale beat me to it. Sorry Brother Glenn.

 

[tyndale1946]

No new thing under the sun. Read Paul in Romans 7 and find solace.

[add]

Oops! Tyndale beat me to it. Sorry Brother Glenn.

That's OK Kentucky a good repeat is encouraged... Brother Glen

1 Timothy 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Btw... This is to be saved from error!

 

[percho]

Yes and no. All sin has (1) the same consequence - separation from God resulting in eternal punishment. All sin (2) results specific punishment according to God's perfect justice. Thus in the afterlife some undergo more tolerable suffering than others. Since all our works of righteousness are as filthy rags to God, nothing we can do will pay God back or earn a reprieve.

Was that in bold, paid, by the blood of Christ?

 

[Van]

Was that in bold, paid, by the blood of Christ?

I think you are going the long way around the barn. The blood of Christ (His substitutionary sacrifice as the Lamb of God) provided the means to being united to God. When God credits the faith of a lost (and separated from God) sinner, He places them into Christ, where they are made alive "together with Christ." Ephesians 2:5.

 

[percho]

I think you are going the long way around the barn. The blood of Christ (His substitutionary sacrifice as the Lamb of God) provided the means to being united to God. When God credits the faith of a lost (and separated from God) sinner, He places them into Christ, where they are made alive "together with Christ." Ephesians 2:5.

I kind of was thinking Rom 5:9,10

A healed separation, resulting salvation.

 

[percho]

For the wages of the sin, death; but the gift of God, eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Maybe we should ask,

Are there degrees of eternal life?

Just a thought.

 

[1689Dave]

I think you are going the long way around the barn. The blood of Christ (His substitutionary sacrifice as the Lamb of God) provided the means to being united to God. When God credits the faith of a lost (and separated from God) sinner, He places them into Christ, where they are made alive "together with Christ." Ephesians 2:5.

The problem with this view is that the blood of Christ united us, the atoned for, with God. To say something else, faith or works unites us, is to say his blood didn't pay for any sin.

 

[Van]

The problem with this view is that the blood of Christ united us, the atoned for, with God. To say something else, faith or works unites us, is to say his blood didn't pay for any sin.

I think your view is outside of orthodoxy. The blood does not unite us, God does when He (1) gave, (2) called, (3) baptized, and (4) transferred the chosen into Christ.

No need to claim all these specific actions to place (the sanctifying work of the Spirit) the lost into Christ are not in scripture.

 

[Van]

I kind of was thinking Rom 5:9,10
A healed separation, resulting salvation.

I think you are co-mingling two different actions of God. One, He puts those chosen for salvation into Christ spiritually. Then (two) those placed into Christ undergo the washing of regeneration and the circumcision of Christ when the body (or consequence) of sin is removed by the blood of the Lamb.

 

[Stratton7]

I have seen several churches claim that all sins are not the same.
But, I believe they are the same to a point given they all separate us from God. Below, doesn’t specify which sin is greater/lesser than another. Just that “sin” leads to death.
Some will suffer different degrees of punishment in hell though.

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (Romans 3:23)
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

 

[old regular]

Some will say that whether you steal one small candy bar from Wal-Mart - or you rob a bank of a million dollars - to God their is no difference as sin is sin.

Others will say that if you commit a horrendous crime - say extreme abuse of a child - there is a special place in Hell for you.

So do you believe that God differentiates our sin - or is that classification reserved for our limited thinking?

Open for discussion

John 19:11"...........: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin"