Is America better in race relations since Holder/Obama?

[church mouse guy]

I don't know if I'll ever be able to recover from your stinging insult about being Ivy league educated. It explains a lot that being educated is something to be scoffed at by conservatives.

The Fatherhood of God, the Brotherhood of Man and the Neighborhood of Martha's Vineyard plus the Ivy League was not ever intended to be an insult but a mere observation.

If you are Ivy League, why do you even consider it insulting? If you are Ivy League, how is it a scoff to mention that liberals prize the Ivy League? Did you pay all that money just to train to post on a message board?

No, it was a remark about the theology and the materialism of liberalism in response to your personal insults about Texas.

It used to be noblesse oblige but now the noblesse abandons cordiality and acts like the lower class.

 

[church mouse guy]

There is a thread of anti-intellectualism that runs through our culture and a strong one amount conservatives these days.

The problem with education and reading widely is a person may have to change their mind on issues they have fallen in love with and hate to change.

Now I expect someone to quote the old line, "A little education is a dangerous thing." They all remember that much of the quote, but not the entire quote and put a spin on it that is entirely incorrect ... as many do with scripture. Indeed, a little learning is a dangerous thing, but deep learning helps clear the muddy waters of little education or learning.

The entire quote is: [emphasis mine]

This is a little strange coming from you because you so often engage in a sort of exchange that goes along the lines of I will not answer your question until you answer mine. However, if you yourself are claiming the title of intellectual, we will call you an intellectual from now on. However, as an intellectual you should know that we fundamentalists are better educated than you liberal intellectuals in today's world.

 

[Use of Time]

The Fatherhood of God, the Brotherhood of Man and the Neighborhood of Martha's Vineyard plus the Ivy League was not ever intended to be an insult but a mere observation.

If you are Ivy League, why do you even consider it insulting? If you are Ivy League, how is it a scoff to mention that liberals prize the Ivy League? Did you pay all that money just to train to post on a message board?

No, it was a remark about the theology and the materialism of liberalism in response to your personal insults about Texas.

It used to be noblesse oblige but now the noblesse abandons cordiality and acts like the lower class.

I'm not a product of an Ivy league school, I went to a military college in Virginia. I just found it odd and out of place in context with the thread, which seems to be a recurring theme for you right now.

Materialism of the liberals? Isn't there a thread right now discussing a million dollar stain glass window project at a school? Sorry, I've always lived in the south and to act like the Northeast or liberals have curbed the market on materialism is woefully ignorant.

 

[Crabtownboy]

This is a little strange coming from you because you so often engage in a sort of exchange that goes along the lines of I will not answer your question until you answer mine. However, if you yourself are claiming the title of intellectual, we will call you an intellectual from now on. However, as an intellectual you should know that we fundamentalists are better educated than you liberal intellectuals in today's world.

I may have used that line a few times, but only after others repeatedly refused to answer my question.

Did you notice yesterday no one, save one person, would answer my question.

What is your response. What would you attitude be if a son or daughter brought home a person of another race saying they were to be married?

I've never called myself an intellectual. I have read and studied all my life only to find there is much more to learn than I now know.

I have no idea what you mean when you say "better educated in today's world".

 

[church mouse guy]

I'm not a product of an Ivy league school, I went to a military college in Virginia. I just found it odd and out of place in context with the thread, which seems to be a recurring theme for you right now.

Materialism of the liberals? Isn't there a thread right now discussing a million dollar stain glass window project at a school? Sorry, I've always lived in the south and to act like the Northeast or liberals have curbed the market on materialism is woefully ignorant.

I thought that your remark about the Texas education system was out of place. I am a product of the Texas education system and quite proud of it. I don't see kindness in your posts.

 

[church mouse guy]

I may have used that line a few times, but only after others repeatedly refused to answer my question.

Did you notice yesterday no one, save one person, would answer my question.

What is your response. What would you attitude be if a son or daughter brought home a person of another race saying they were to be married?

I've never called myself an intellectual. I have read and studied all my life only to find there is much more to learn than I now know.

I have no idea what you mean when you say "better educated in today's world".

Don't worry about your questions when they are hypothetical. It used to be that you mainline theologians could say that Fundamentalists and Evangelicals were poorly educated but that is no longer true, if it ever was. Besides it was a misreading of Scripture in the first place because the Holy Ghost gives knowledge.

Psalms 119:99 (KJV) I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies [are] my meditation.

 

[Use of Time]

I thought that your remark about the Texas education system was out of place. I am a product of the Texas education system and quite proud of it. I don't see kindness in your posts.

Sorry if my comment didn't seem to be kind but as you can see I was directing that to Carpro after he repeatedly called me a liar and a coward both of which he couldn't prove although he tried to pass off someone else's words as my own in an attempt to win his argument. I actually exercised pretty great restraint from saying what I really wanted to say to him after that little stunt backfired. Surely you can understand that.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Don't worry about your questions when they are hypothetical. It used to be that you mainline theologians could say that Fundamentalists and Evangelicals were poorly educated but that is no longer true, if it ever was. Besides it was a misreading of Scripture in the first place because the Holy Ghost gives knowledge.

Psalms 119:99 (KJV) I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies [are] my meditation.

And you refuse to answer also. Wonder why I am not surprised?

 

[church mouse guy]

And you refuse to answer also. Wonder why I am not surprised?

Oh, I never was in on that debate about interracial marriage. Technically speaking I don't think that there is any such thing as race and Scripture says:

Colossians 3:11 (KJV) Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.


So in light of Scripture, I think that your question itself is improper but I shall add to my comment that God gives Grace just at the right moment, or as Corrie Ten Boom explained God gives Grace like a parent gives a child a ticket on a train just as one boards the train.

Furthermore, I think that you violate the precepts of Christianity with your question by the words of Paul,

Philippians 4:11 (KJV) Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, [therewith] to be content.

12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.

13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

 

[poncho]

All that just to say you're afraid of sounding politically incorrect if you answered a simple question? :laugh:

 

[Crabtownboy]

Colossians 3:11 (KJV) Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.

This verse is saying spiritually all are the same. Physically, biologically there are various races.

So, let's ask the question dropping the word race.

If you had a son or daughter brought home a person of a very different color and ethnicity saying this is the person I am going to marry, what would your reaction be?

Very simple question.

 

[church mouse guy]

This verse is saying spiritually all are the same. Physically, biologically there are various races.

So, let's ask the question dropping the word race.

If you had a son or daughter brought home a person of a very different color and ethnicity saying this is the person I am going to marry, what would your reaction be?

Very simple question.

Once again you attack Scripture in large letters, Crabtown.

Your question was answered by the citation from Paul. One could point to the sister of Moses also.

So it is Jesus that you are attacking, not me.

But your point is totally demolished by the fact that all human beings descend from Adam and Eve.

Your political dissatisfaction with Scripture is just that--political dissatisfaction.

I am praying that you do not prolong this attack against Scripture because it is bad for you to kick against the pricks.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Once again you attack Scripture in large letters, Crabtown.

Your question was answered by the citation from Paul. One could point to the sister of Moses also.

So it is Jesus that you are attacking, not me.

But your point is totally demolished by the fact that all human beings descend from Adam and Eve.

Your political dissatisfaction with Scripture is just that--political dissatisfaction.

I am praying that you do not prolong this attack against Scripture because it is bad for you to kick against the pricks.

It is a most simply question and has nothing to do with scripture. I see you are unwilling to answer. I am not surprised. So, please never accuse me of not answering a question ... thanks in advance.

Did you know that science has discovered why there is a Caucasian group of people. What it is that makes their skin so light?

So I ask again, what would your attitude be if a son or daughter brought home a person of very different complexion and said they were going to marry them?

Very simply question ... one you appear to be afraid to answer.

 

[church mouse guy]

It is a most simply question and has nothing to do with scripture. I see you are unwilling to answer. I am not surprised. So, please never accuse me of not answering a question ... thanks in advance.

Did you know that science has discovered why there is a Caucasian group of people. What it is that makes their skin so light?

So I ask again, what would your attitude be if a son or daughter brought home a person of very different complexion and said they were going to marry them?

Very simply question ... one you appear to be afraid to answer.

You do not accept that all people are descended from Adam and Eve.

Furthermore you do not accept that Christians are taught by Paul to be content in all situations, good or bad.

Finally, you do not accept that this question was answered by Moses.

And you do not accept my answer but you go even further and make the false charge that I have not answered. I gave you the Christian answer--you do not allow that answer.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You do not accept that all people are descended from Adam and Eve.

Yes I do, but changes occurred as time passed and we now have biologically a number of races.

Furthermore you do not accept that Christians are taught by Paul to be content in all situations, good or bad.

I do believe Paul wrote that ans as you bring it up I can only believe that you would be content with the situation I asked about ... yea, even welcome it.

Finally, you do not accept that this question was answered by Moses.

Enlighten me, please.

And you do not accept my answer but you go even further and make the false charge that I have not answered. I gave you the Christian answer--you do not allow that answer.

You danced around but gave no discernible answer to the question. Why not just say I would welcome the new person into the family, or I would not welcome the new person into the family. Which is it for you.

 

[Jerome]

Professor Brent Aucoin:

http://betweenthetimes.com/index.php/tag/barack-obama/

When Barack Obama was elected President of the United States in 2008 and Fred Luter was elected President of the Southern Baptist Convention in 2012, some predicted that the elevation of these two black men to their respective offices would help solve the racial problems in America and America’s largest Protestant denomination. In the case of President Obama’s election, some prognosticators even began speaking of the advent of a “post-racial America.” However, events such as the arrest of Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr., the killing of Trayvon Martin, and the recent upheaval in Ferguson, Missouri, make it clear that racial strife continues in America. Likewise, the Southern Baptist Convention continues to struggle with an image tarnished by its pro-slavery origins and the fact that it remains a predominately white denomination.

 

[Revmitchell]

The SBC struggles not with any image of slavery. No one cares about that, no one is discusssing it and it does nothing to prevent SBC churches from growing.It is an outright intentional false claim. So long as liberals can no longer run the SBC they will continue to beat this dead drum. Shame on them.

 

[Crabtownboy]

The SBC struggles not with any image of slavery. No one cares about that, no one is discusssing it and it does nothing to prevent SBC churches from growing.It is an outright intentional false claim. So long as liberals can no longer run the SBC they will continue to beat this dead drum. Shame on them.

May or may not be true Rev. But there are lots of folk still alive who remember and care that many SBC pastors and churches adamantly opposed integration and civil rights for all.

To their credit in 1995 the SBC adopted a resolution in 1995 denouncing racism and repudiating its past defense of slavery and opposition to the civil rights movement.

Do you agree with the 1995 resolution?

 

[Zaac]

May or may not be true Rev. But there are lots of folk still alive who remember and care that many SBC pastors and churches adamantly opposed integration and civil rights for all.

To their credit in 1995 the SBC adopted a resolution in 1995 denouncing racism and repudiating its past defense of slavery and opposition to the civil rights movement.

Do you agree with the 1995 resolution?

This will be interesting.

Wonder if you'll get an answer?

 

[Jerome]

Professor Brent Aucoin:

http://betweenthetimes.com/index.php/tag/barack-obama/

The SBC struggles not with any image of slavery. No one cares about that, no one is discusssing it and it does nothing to prevent SBC churches from growing.It is an outright intentional false claim. So long as liberals can no longer run the SBC they will continue to beat this dead drum. Shame on them.

Huh?

Between the Times is a blog by the faculty of Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary.

Aucoin is Associate Professor of History and Associate Dean of the College at Southeastern.

Good stuff here:

SEBTS Headlines 9/24/2014

Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary (SEBTS) hosted a two-day reflection on America’s struggle for social equality

Smith thinks that society still has a ways to go. “De facto segregation and segregation by custom are still issues we face even though legal segregation has ended,” Smith said.

[Aucoin] encouraged Christians to be advocates for cultivating minorities in places of prominent leadership.