Is America Under Judgement From God? Is America Under An Abandonment Judgement From God?

Hmm, the Civil War proved (or forced) the Dred Scott ruling to be in error as to the rights of black humanity;

“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness….”

Roe versus Wade therefore needs to be overturned at every level of government - federal and state.

Human life is not created at birth but at conception.

HankD

 

If a post gets too long (as mine do, do) the general reader becomes quickly lost, so I intend (as I have time) to break this into smaller bites to gnaw upon.

It is very hard to debate an issue when one holds a date of writing considerably different than another.

Holding an early date of writing just is historically inaccurate, and inconsistent with the known timeline of John's ministry in Ephesus.

Because I hold that John didn't write the revelation until he was on Patmos (sometime during the years 94-95AD), and released at the death of the emperor (95-96 AD) then ALL that pertains to visions in the revelation ARE NOT in consideration because the plowing under of Jerusalem occurred over a quarter century before. It is impossible to prophecy about what has already taken place.

Because you disagree with this date (although John states he was on the island at the writing, and it is historically accurate as to when John was on the island) there is little value that I can offer, but for some readers, I will attempt to continue.

 

Again, because of the dating difference, in which you inappropriately ignore the historical evidence of when the Revelation was written, you draw conclusions that are misaligned.

Nothing here to dispute, because you attribute it as if John were writing the news rather than prophecy.

 

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Again, when one doesn't align the dating of a writing of John correctly, it throws all manner of alignment of prophecy into question - most often, wrong alignment and horribly wrong conclusions.

Even in the example above, trying to combine two prophecies to indicate the same event cannot happen if one of the prophecies was written AFTER the event.

John did not write news, rather he recorded what was shown would happen. That is why the book is called Revelation. It tells of the end. It finishes the story. Lets the folks know that God has purpose and plan and that it will all work out for believers in victory.

The destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD was some 25 years BEFORE John was on Patmos. That is historical fact.

John states that while on the Island of Patmos, he was given the prophecy. That is Scripture fact. (Revelation 1:9) Did John lie? or are the ones who want an early date to the writing believing a lie?

John's stay on Patmos ended with the death of the Emperor Domitian in 96-97 AD - that is historical fact.

Therefore, the writing HAD to take place in the years 94-95AD, though because of the wording of Revelation 1:9, some consider John wrote the account AFTER the Patmos experience which would put it even closer the the end of the first century.

Again, it is hard to discuss prophecy when one doesn't rely on facts of both Scripture and historical accuracy.

 

Ok, I decided to cut this short, because it ends up I type the same basic problem with your thinking over and over.

Does Revelation prophesy the destruction of huge amounts of the earth?

Absolutely.

That by removing the historic facts concerning the writing, so that the writing can be inappropriately assigned to prior to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD, is profoundly ignorant.

Such denies Scripture veracity.
Such denies Historical evidence.
Such denies the very Sovereignty of God to be truthful.

When God declares the destruction of land and water, it is not limited to a small patch of dirt in the middle east.

Such thinking is just so terribly wrong, it is almost deceitful.

How dare such doubt God, and bring disrespect to His word!

 

You can do all the "LIKELIHOOD" thinking you want.

But there is NO proof John even considered going to Patmos (a very small island of less than 8 miles long, and 5 miles across) to "spread the word."

However, there IS proof John was on Patmos in the 90's.

Why would one hold on to a "likelihood" which can also be considered an UN-likelihood, in comparison to historical FACTS?

Polycarp was the student of John. There is not a single mention in anything from Polycarp that resembles your thinking of prophecy.

Justin Martyr was a contemporary of Polycarp. There is not a single mention of anything from Justin Martyr that resembles your thinking of prophecy.

You would think that they would have proclaimed your view loudly, and forcefully, but they did not.

Rather, the statements we have are just the opposite.

Both looked FORWARD to the literal in the flesh return of Christ as did ALL accounts of the earliest church folks who lived decades after 70 AD.

 

You claim it enough so
Please show me support of the Late date of Revelation.